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Israel-Palestine

EpsomWolf said:
We’re way past that. Both sides could list limitless examples of unfairness and leniency towards the other side and with some justification imv. They’ve both been hell bent on silencing the other and rejoiced like a bunch of fucking juveniles at perceived successes whilst being too bloody minded and stupid to realise we’d inevitably end up where we are.

You can’t weaponise the police to great effect when it suits you and abuse the right to protest and then complain when it turns full circle and bites you on the arse.

Those arrested yesterday weren’t arrested for simply attending a peaceful protest. We can debate the rights and wrongs of the legislation itself but all those arrested can have no complaints whatsoever.

One last thing, there is a beautiful synergie now between the left and right with the screams of ‘abuse of power/right to protest/free speech’ etc etc.

It is somewhat amusing that on those issues at least, you’re all finally singing from the same hymn sheet.
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What a load of drivel. There are some things that give you splinters in your backside, this is an example.

There is a world of difference between setting fires to buildings with people inside and a peaceful, non-violent protest* it’s not the same hymn sheet, it’s not the same song. The people arrested yesterday were at a peaceful* protest, protesting peacefully* about what they consider to be an unjust law. It is that simple and people can have complaints because even you acknowledge there is a debate to be had about the rights and wrongs of the legislation.

There is only a “synergy” when you use false equivalence.

*it wasn’t entirely peaceful, but the vast majority of those arrested were.
 
They can consider it an unjust law as much as they want, and it doesn’t matter how many times you use the word ‘peaceful’ or ‘protest’ or both, or ‘non-violent’ for that matter, the same as those setting fire to hotels they were arrested for committing a crime and rightly so.

It’s utterly naive to think the government wasn’t going to act and change legislation as they saw fit, and moaning because they’ve changed it in a way that doesn’t suit your view and you’ve been arrested because you’ve broken it is a bit laughable to be honest.

Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it and the penny is dropping you can’t. That’s on both sides, and yeah, I kind of like that.
 
I feel those sat on their arses yesterday with "Palestine action" across their chests were doing so knowing full well they'd be arrested and were happy to make that point and show how ridiculous it was?
 
You can’t abuse a right.
 
EpsomWolf said:
They can consider it an unjust law as much as they want, and it doesn’t matter how many times you use the word ‘peaceful’ or ‘protest’ or both, or ‘non-violent’ for that matter, the same as those setting fire to hotels they were arrested for committing a crime and rightly so.

It’s utterly naive to think the government wasn’t going to act and change legislation as they saw fit, and moaning because they’ve changed it in a way that doesn’t suit your view and you’ve been arrested because you’ve broken it is a bit laughable to be honest.

Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it and the penny is dropping you can’t. That’s on both sides, and yeah, I kind of like that.
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I guess you would have said the same thing if they were people arrested for being gay when that was illegal…or being black where segregation/slavery was legal…or female when voting was illegal. History is littered with examples of things being legal/illegal and people sat by laughing. That’s the sort of person you are, the one that laughs.
 
Alan said:
You can’t abuse a right.
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Hmm, I don’t know Alan.

Let’s be honest direct action groups have been extremely effective and shoehorned their campaigns into the tiniest of legislative gaps and underpinning most of my ramblings on this topic so far has been the effectiveness of that, the subsequent response of the government, and the parallels now affecting all sides (to everyone’s detriment.

The XR and JSO actions were a problem that needed dealing with. Empathisers were quick to dismiss huge disruption and as ‘a bit of inconvenience’ but in my view were pushing the right to protest to the fringes of abuse and the alarm bells started ringing there.

My tipping point was the Brize Norton action and suspect it was for the government too and now all sides are facing the consequences of a pent up backlash.

Despite polar opposite views I do think the hard right and left are increasingly complaining about the same thing and yes, think the is a certain synergy and amusement at that too.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
I guess you would have said the same thing if they were people arrested for being gay when that was illegal…or being black where segregation/slavery was legal…or female when voting was illegal. History is littered with examples of things being legal/illegal and people sat by laughing. That’s the sort of person you are, the one that laughs.
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That’s a mighty extrapolation from a statement that finding someone complaining about being arrested for committing a crime laughable, but I guess it’s an urge to insult more than anything else.

I’ll leave it there on this thread for now.
 
Hereford Wolf said:
Absolutely. They are peacefully sitting there holding a sign, not shooting innocent women and children queuing for food. This is just wrong and a waste of police resources and time.
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They're not being arrested for how they're supporting. They're being arrested for who they're supporting.

It's like having a picnic to raise funds for the IRA, getting arrested, then claiming the government have criminalised picnics.
 
EpsomWolf said:
That’s a mighty extrapolation from a statement that finding someone complaining about being arrested for committing a crime laughable, but I guess it’s an urge to insult more than anything else.

I’ll leave it there on this thread for now.
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I am not insulting you, I am insulting your opinion. You are an anonymous poster on a message board, I am insulting words on the Internet. What you do with that is on you.
 
visage said:
They're not being arrested for how they're supporting. They're being arrested for who they're supporting.

It's like having a picnic to raise funds for the IRA, getting arrested, then claiming the government have criminalised picnics.
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They are protesting that PA have been proscribed. Many will have supported PA before they were proscribed but it is the act of proscription that is being protested.

False equivalence.

The objective of this campaign is to Lift the Ban on Palestine Action, i.e. for Palestine Action to be de-proscribed as a ‘terrorist organisation’.
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visage said:
They're not being arrested for how they're supporting. They're being arrested for who they're supporting.

It's like having a picnic to raise funds for the IRA, getting arrested, then claiming the government have criminalised picnics.
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Comparing the IRA to PA beggars belief.
 
Why don’t the people who want to protest against what’s happening in Palestine create a new protest group that isn’t proscribed and doesn’t set out to cause millions of pounds of damage to planes? Presumably if such a new group was law abiding it wouldn’t be proscribed and could lawfully demonstrate.
 
Wilf Wolf said:
Why don’t the people who want to protest against what’s happening in Palestine create a new protest group that isn’t proscribed and doesn’t set out to cause millions of pounds of damage to planes? Presumably if such a new group was law abiding it wouldn’t be proscribed and could lawfully demonstrate.
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Where's the dopamine rush in that though?
 
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