Keir Starmer at it again..

[Sniffer]

Having carers visit a relative 4 times a day for the last 12 months or so I’ve barely seen one who isn’t a recent immigrant. There’s a reason why people don’t want to do it and it’s thoroughly understandable why.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Its all interconnected though, isnt it?

Care hopes pay better wages, so the fees go up, so less people can afford it, so the burden on the NHS increases.

The answer, obviously, is to raise taxes. But thats become political suicide by generations of cunts promising that we can have better public services while cutting taxes.

At some point we'll need a politician with the willingness and credibility to make that argument.

This in particular is correct, but often because there are not enough council run care homes, people end up spending their life savings on receiving residential care in the private sector.

 

[leedswolf]

Having carers visit a relative 4 times a day for the last 12 months or so I’ve barely seen one who isn’t a recent immigrant. There’s a reason why people don’t want to do it and it’s thoroughly understandable why.

My mother has 3 home visits a day and I have witnessed the same.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Having carers visit a relative 4 times a day for the last 12 months or so I’ve barely seen one who isn’t a recent immigrant. There’s a reason why people don’t want to do it and it’s thoroughly understandable why.

Yes there is a reason. The person who already lives here gets paid more working in a supermarket and often the people who come here, do it because they see it as an avenue to getting permanent residency in the UK and bettering their living standards.
They often work for agencies who exploit them. They have to stay at the place that sponsors them. They often get all the shit jobs in the care homes and get treated appallingly, but they are trapped, as they suck it up until they receive permanent residency. This to me is akin to modern slavery.
The care homes no squealing on the BBC, saying that they won't get enough local workers, are the same ones that are benefitting from cheap immigrant labour, who keel stum about the exploration of immigrants working in their care homes.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Having carers visit a relative 4 times a day for the last 12 months or so I’ve barely seen one who isn’t a recent immigrant. There’s a reason why people don’t want to do it and it’s thoroughly understandable why.

Yes there is a reason. The person who already lives here gets paid more working in a supermarket and often the people who come here, do it because they see it as an avenue to getting permanent residency in the UK and bettering their living standards.
They often work for agencies who exploit them. They have to stay at the place that sponsors them. They often get all the shit jobs in the care homes and get treated appallingly, but they are trapped, as they suck it up until they receive permanent residency. This to me is akin to modern slavery.
The care homes now squealing on the BBC, saying that they won't get enough local workers, are the same ones that are benefitting from cheap immigrant labour, who keep stum about the exploration of immigrants working in their care homes.

 

[leedswolf]

Fair point.
We also need to recognise that many of these 'care' homes just like school academies and nurseries exist to make ridiculous profits ie salaries for the owners, trust and board members.

Indeed, and depending on the individual's financial circumstances, the costs may have to be met by the relevant local authority.

 

[Sniffer]

Offering a £1 an hour extra than a supermarket won’t change local people’s willingness to enter the care sector.
I’m grateful of the service provided by those coming here and fear for what will happen when they don’t.
How many on here will be pushing their kids into the care sector as a career path?

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Offering a £1 an hour extra than a supermarket won’t change local people’s willingness to enter the care sector.
I’m grateful of the service provided by those coming here and fear for what will happen when they don’t.
How many on here will be pushing their kids into the care sector as a career path?

Pay the care workers a decent wage and stop care homes exploiting immigrant workers.
You pay taxes all your life for health care and nobody should have to then lose all their savings to be cared for when they are old and most need of care.

 

[AndyWolves]

Pay the care workers a decent wage and stop care homes exploiting immigrant workers.
You pay taxes all your life for health care and nobody should have to then lose all their savings to be cared for when they are old and most need of care.

As Gary S would say, it's another way to funnel money to the rich

 

[Sniffer]

Care in your elder years and state pensions are Ponzi schemes. Back to Viz’s point about taxation now.

 

[AndyWolves]

Care in your elder years and state pensions are Ponzi schemes. Back to Viz’s point about taxation now.

I don't think care is a ponzi scheme because most of the funding comes from the assets of the person being cared for.

State pensions definitely are ponzi schemes, but how else can you do it?

 

[leedswolf]

I don't think care is a ponzi scheme because most of the funding comes from the assets of the person being cared for.

Not all those in care neccessarily have sufficient assets though...

 

[Sniffer]

Not all have assets to pay for their care in older years so the burden falls back on the state and all those paying taxes now. As we all know, there’s not a pot that your taxes are held in to fund your care in later life and personally I don’t like the line thrown about “paid in all their lives”. The vast majority of us will be owing the state if it’s all totted up over our lifetimes.
Solutions? The pension issue should have been seen 50 years ago with compulsory schemes akin to what is in place now. It wouldn’t have taken a genius to see the bill coming down the line but governments at the time didn’t address the issue quick enough.
As for care for the elderly it will have to be an insurance policy of sorts that will protect your assets. Again that’ll mean paying to the private sector rather than paying higher taxes.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

From the article below.


"Lawyers say UK care providers who promise regular full-time work and then offer exploitative or underpaid jobs on arrival may have broken the law. The sponsorship system means an individual’s visa status is tied to a particular employer, meaning many feel trapped."

UK care agencies accused of exploiting foreign workers caught in debt traps

Exclusive: Experts raise alarm over ‘national scandal’ that has hallmarks of trafficking and modern slavery

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Saturday Boy]

We have carers 6 nights a week for my son. They are employed on NHS Terms and Conditions, fair pay and pension.

We have carers before and after school paid by Social Care, all except one are on minimum wage and their Terms and Conditions are the bare minimum. Aldi pay more.

We need a National Social Care Service, fair pay, decent Terms and Conditions and the taxes necessary to pay for it.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

We have carers 6 nights a week for my son. They are employed on NHS Terms and Conditions, fair pay and pension.

We have carers before and after school paid by Social Care, all except one are on minimum wage and their Terms and Conditions are the bare minimum. Aldi pay more.

We need a National Social Care Service, fair pay, decent Terms and Conditions and the taxes necessary to pay for it.

Too fucking right we do!!!

 

[AndyWolves]

Not all have assets to pay for their care in older years so the burden falls back on the state and all those paying taxes now. As we all know, there’s not a pot that your taxes are held in to fund your care in later life and personally I don’t like the line thrown about “paid in all their lives”. The vast majority of us will be owing the state if it’s all totted up over our lifetimes.
Solutions? The pension issue should have been seen 50 years ago with compulsory schemes akin to what is in place now. It wouldn’t have taken a genius to see the bill coming down the line but governments at the time didn’t address the issue quick enough.
As for care for the elderly it will have to be an insurance policy of sorts that will protect your assets. Again that’ll mean paying to the private sector rather than paying higher taxes.

When the burden falls back onto the state that's yet more money being funnelled from the public to the private sector

 

[Tony Towner]

When the burden falls back onto the state that's yet more money being funnelled from the public to the private sector

Many 'council run' care homes are actually out sourced to housing associations or similar bodies, but they are increasingly pulling away from wanting to provide that facility as the funding provided centrally isn't enough to break even whilst providing an acceptable level of care.

Like so much it all tracks back to the austerity choices of the Cameron government

 

[visage]

Pay the care workers a decent wage and stop care homes exploiting immigrant workers.
You pay taxes all your life for health care and nobody should have to then lose all their savings to be cared for when they are old and most need of care.

While I agree with the broad thrust of that, it does mean we need to pay more taxes.

When the welfare state was established you would start work at 16, work for 50 years and then die ten years later. 5 years of work to fund each year of retirement.

Nowadays its more typical to start work at 21, retire at 65 and live for 20 years - 2.2 years of work for each year of retirement.

So we can raise the retirement age - and we've seen the shitshow that would cause - or we increase taxes, which is never popular.

 

[visage]

We have carers 6 nights a week for my son. They are employed on NHS Terms and Conditions, fair pay and pension.

We have carers before and after school paid by Social Care, all except one are on minimum wage and their Terms and Conditions are the bare minimum. Aldi pay more.

We need a National Social Care Service, fair pay, decent Terms and Conditions and the taxes necessary to pay for it.

A National Care Service has been Labours policy since 2008. The Tories binned it.

Lets see if it returns - it was certainly in the manifesto.