Keir Starmer at it again..

[Tony Towner]

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Indirectly he's correct when it comes to 21st century immigration. Without it you don't have Farage or Brexit, without Brexit you don't have the Johnson and post Johnson Conservative government. I appreciate that's not the message though.

 

[AndyWolves]

Indirectly he's correct when it comes to 21st century immigration. Without it you don't have Farage or Brexit, without Brexit you don't have the Johnson and post Johnson Conservative government. I appreciate that's not the message though.

They'd have found something else to scapegoat, probably the sick, unemployed and elderly

 

[Tredman]

Police investigating a fire at Keir Starmers house in London

Seems like some of his family were there while it happened.

Extremism and the language used on both sides of the political divide will only lead to more of this.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

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Can you send a link to that, please?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

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Fucking hell.

 

[Jack Regan]

Fucking hell.

His country of strangers line was borderline lifted from Enoch Powell.

 

[Tony Towner]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921933220150427969

 

[Wellen Wolf]

While I agree with the broad thrust of that, it does mean we need to pay more taxes.

When the welfare state was established you would start work at 16, work for 50 years and then die ten years later. 5 years of work to fund each year of retirement.

Nowadays its more typical to start work at 21, retire at 65 and live for 20 years - 2.2 years of work for each year of retirement.

So we can raise the retirement age - and we've seen the shitshow that would cause - or we increase taxes, which is never popular.

Just to add to this.... there are incredible numbers of accountants in the country and so many of them specialize in helping companies to avoid and evade paying tax. It's quite evident that those who can simply do not pay much tax while those of us who are taxed at source have no choice but pay 100%. Tory governments have been passing tax laws with multiple loopholes and 'advantages' for decades. In that time they have also reduced the number of tax inspectors and thoroughly encouraged tax evasion and avoidance through the MSM. It's all about right wing freedoms and reducing the state.
Two inevitable questions:
Who and which organisations are actually paying anywhere near their full tax responsibility?
Who and which organisations are net takers of money from the state?
No wonder we are in a mess.

 

[leedswolf]

His country of strangers line was borderline lifted from Enoch Powell.

My exact same thoughts...

 

[AndyWolves]

Just to add to this.... there are incredible numbers of accountants in the country and so many of them specialize in helping companies to avoid and evade paying tax. It's quite evident that those who can simply do not pay much tax while those of us who are taxed at source have no choice but pay 100%. Tory governments have been passing tax laws with multiple loopholes and 'advantages' for decades. In that time they have also reduced the number of tax inspectors and thoroughly encouraged tax evasion and avoidance through the MSM. It's all about right wing freedoms and reducing the state.
Two inevitable questions:
Who and which organisations are actually paying anywhere near their full tax responsibility?
Who and which organisations are net takers of money from the state?
No wonder we are in a mess.

I would guess you could find a strong correlation by seeing who the donors are to the Torys (and labour now unfortunately)

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Look at that smug cunt smile at the mention of Enoch Powell.

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[leedswolf]

30 Reaktionen · 13 Mal geteilt | Reform voters will never vote for Keir Starmer... Ever! | By National Rejoin March | Facebook

Reform voters will never vote for Keir Starmer... Ever!

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[Elephant Pyjamas]

30 Reaktionen · 13 Mal geteilt | Reform voters will never vote for Keir Starmer... Ever! | By National Rejoin March | Facebook

Reform voters will never vote for Keir Starmer... Ever!

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Absolutely right.

 

[Tony Towner]

Many of them in the North voted Labour less than a year ago though or at least their areas returned Labour MPs and in Runcorn there is a like for like comparison. I don't agree with yesterday's statement however neither do I agree that he can afford to just write off those voters.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Many of them in the North voted Labour less than a year ago though or at least their areas returned Labour MPs and in Runcorn there is a like for like comparison. I don't agree with yesterday's statement however neither do I agree that he can afford to just write off those voters.

Many will have voted with the "anyone other than the Tories" mantra.

 

[Tony Towner]

Many will have voted with the "anyone other than the Tories" mantra.

Reform took 4 times the number of Labour council seats than all the other parties combined. That's not a switching from the Tories stat. Neither is overturning a 15k majority in Runcorn. If he doesn't regain that electorate he'll be destroyed at the next election.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Reform took 4 times the number of Labour council seats than all the other parties combined. That's not a switching from the Tories stat

In the GE I meant?

People voted GTTO in the GE, they've since switched to Reform in many cases. As Reform gather more support they'll be seen as genuine majority government option in the next GE. Starmer needs to be an opposition, not a watered down version of them, where will support for that come from? No one wants neither one or the other.

And I certainly voted Labour to GTTO, I won't again.

 

[leedswolf]

Many of them in the North voted Labour less than a year ago though or at least their areas returned Labour MPs and in Runcorn there is a like for like comparison. I don't agree with yesterday's statement however neither do I agree that he can afford to just write off those voters.

Well if they voted for Labour, they would be expecting the party to deliver on their manifesto at least. If they were of the Reform persuasion I would have expected them to have voted Reform at the GE.

The ones that are becoming disillusioned with the mainstream parties inabilities ti deliver on their promises will be attracted to Reform. Becoming ReformLite isn't the solution.

 

[Tony Towner]

Well if they voted for Labour, they would be expecting the party to deliver on their manifesto at least. If they were of the Reform persuasion I would have expected them to have voted Reform at the GE.

The ones that are becoming disillusioned with the mainstream parties inabilities ti deliver on their promises will be attracted to Reform. Becoming ReformLite isn't the solution.

I didn't say it was, my issue is with the video you posted that said "Reform voters are never going to vote for you Keir Starmer" They have before in the north and he needs them to again.