Keir Starmer at it again..

[Deutsch Wolf]

Thank you for telling me what I think.

I'm also from New Invention you clown, not that I have any wish to play working class Top Trumps.

As it happens, no I don't think it's alright to vandalise Boris Johnson's home, even though he is a gigantic planet of cunt.

 

[Wolftone]

Thank you for telling me what I think.

I'm also from New Invention you clown, not that I have any wish to play working class Top Trumps.

As it happens, no I don't think it's alright to vandalise Boris Johnson's home, even though he is a gigantic planet of cunt.

Not saying I'd do it but I can understand why people would.
Why can't you?
It's my policy of truth, I can't stand hypocrisy. Labour are worse than the Tories these days in that regard. Horrible, two faced, self serving. Despise the actual WORKING class.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Because society doesn't work like that.

We don't live in a world where 'you do something I don't agree with and I will slash your tyres, despite it not affecting me personally in the slightest' is alright.

Clearly Labour are not worse than the Tories. It'd be like me arguing that Gary O'Neil was worse than Dean Saunders. Of course he wasn't, that would be absurd.

And as I say, on a Wolves forum, I would not go claiming that you are the most working class of all, because you almost certainly aren't, and trying to wear a badge in that way makes you look incredibly insecure.

 

[Sniffer]

Isn't the crux of this that she didn't pay stamp duty on the part of the house that's in trust to her disabled son?

Not really. She’s handed over ownership of her home in Greater Manchester to a trust so that her son’s future in the property is secure. As she only lives there part time she’s then bought a property in Hove and my guess is that she’s been asked the question by the solicitors- is the new one the only one that you will own and she answered yes. The conveyancer has then submitted the form on this basis and she’s paid the standard rate of stamp duty. Unfortunately the tax treatment of the house in the trust she no longer owns effectively counts it as still being hers so she should have paid a higher rate of stamp duty on the new property. After the media have dug all this up, she’s sought further advice and found out that she’s dropped a bollock and paid the wrong amount.
If the above is the case, In her role as a housing minister she should have been all over every minute detail to ensure that she’d paid the correct amount. As she hasn’t then she’ll have to resign or be asked to leave.

 

[Wolftone]

Because society doesn't work like that.

We don't live in a world where 'you do something I don't agree with and I will slash your tyres, despite it not affecting me personally in the slightest' is alright.

Clearly Labour are not worse than the Tories. It'd be like me arguing that Gary O'Neil was worse than Dean Saunders. Of course he wasn't, that would be absurd.

And as I say, on a Wolves forum, I would not go claiming that you are the most working class of all, because you almost certainly aren't, and trying to wear a badge in that way makes you look incredibly insecure.

Society does work like that. People do stuff that lots of others support but don't do themselves.
Recently Palestine Action, Raise the Flag or whatever it's called.
Polarisation.
Depends on your definition of working class, yours might be different to mine.
It's not where you come from.
Your definition of insecure might be too.

 

[EpsomWolf]

After being forced to admit she didn’t pay the correct amount of stamp duty attention turns to how this purchase was funded.

So has she’s pulled a move Donald Trump would be proud of and overvalued the original property and her stake, effectively ripping off her son’s trust fund to take a bigger chunk than she was entitled to facilitating the purchase of the 800k gaff in Brighton?

We believe in you Ange, don’t let us down. You’d never do something like that, would you?

 

[Sniffer]

After being forced to admit she didn’t pay the correct amount of stamp duty attention turns to how this purchase was funded.

So has she’s pulled a move Donald Trump would be proud of and overvalued the original property and her stake, effectively ripping off her son’s trust fund to take a bigger chunk than she was entitled to facilitating the purchase of the 800k gaff in Brighton?

We believe in you Ange, don’t let us down. You’d never do something like that, would you?

I think that Rayner will end up losing her Government posts but any comments on this?

Farage claimed last year to have “bought a house” in his constituency, but the property is actually owned in the name of his partner, meaning he legally avoided higher-rate stamp duty on the purchase of an additional home – given that he already owns other properties.

Both are wrong but I can’t see you making a big fuss over other MPs and their efforts to reduce the amount they pay in tax.

 

[Aikiwolf]

Seemed relevant to the Raynor situation but hopefully everyone piles on Farage for avoiding stamp duty AND avoiding tax on his GB earnings by pretending to be a contractor.

Nigel Farage uses private company to pay less tax on GB News earnings

Exclusive: Reform leader’s use of personal services firm is a practice criticised across the political spectrum

www.theguardian.com

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

But MPs don't earn much....

 

[EpsomWolf]

I think that Rayner will end up losing her Government posts but any comments on this?

Farage claimed last year to have “bought a house” in his constituency, but the property is actually owned in the name of his partner, meaning he legally avoided higher-rate stamp duty on the purchase of an additional home – given that he already owns other properties.

Both are wrong but I can’t see you making a big fuss over other MPs and their efforts to reduce the amount they pay in tax.

Anyone in public office should be treated the exactly the same. I’ve given my reasons for focussing on Rayner, she’s Secretary of State for Housing. The hope she represents makes her behaviour especially disappointing. I’m interested in the Premier League too but would also be focussing my attention on Victor Pereira and be more likely to comment on him than Graham Potter.

She’s deserving of the attention imv, there’s no justification for the other wrongdoings but at the moment they’re no more than a bit of a smokescreen and deflection.

 

[Sniffer]

It’s being reported that she is leaving the Government.

 

[lemonjelly]

Anyone in public office should be treated the exactly the same. I’ve given my reasons for focussing on Rayner, she’s Secretary of State for Housing. The hope she represents makes her behaviour especially disappointing. I’m interested in the Premier League too but would also be focussing my attention on Victor Pereira and be more likely to comment on him than Graham Potter.

She’s deserving of the attention imv, there’s no justification for the other wrongdoings but at the moment they’re no more than a bit of a smokescreen and deflection.

I don't think anyone is saying Rayner is not deserving of the attention. What is being pointed out is the different standards being applied to Rayner, than to others.
Farage has been given as an example, and his tax avoidance is much clearer and more significant.
It's therefore confusing as to why Raynor is being held to a different, and higher standard?
Saying we treat them all the same is a bland, meaningless platitude. Where have you, or the mainstream media railed against the actions taken by Farage, and others in their corruption? Where is/was your outrage then? Where is/was your outrage at the brazen profiteering that numerous conservatives engaged in 2020-2023?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

 

[Keef]

There was not one flicker of outrage when Jeremy hunt admitted he didn’t pay tax on 7 (SEVEN) flats he’d bought while chancellor, or when Nadim Zawahi was doing a deal with HMRC to try and get out of paying or reducing the amount to pay back on the 5 million he owed

 

[visage]

I think Estelle Morris resigned because she thought she wasnt up to the job. Cant recall anyone else doing so.

 

[EpsomWolf]

I don't think anyone is saying Rayner is not deserving of the attention. What is being pointed out is the different standards being applied to Rayner, than to others.
Farage has been given as an example, and his tax avoidance is much clearer and more significant.
It's therefore confusing as to why Raynor is being held to a different, and higher standard?
Saying we treat them all the same is a bland, meaningless platitude. Where have you, or the mainstream media railed against the actions taken by Farage, and others in their corruption? Where is/was your outrage then? Where is/was your outrage at the brazen profiteering that numerous conservatives engaged in 2020-2023?

I’ve given you the reasons for my focus of attention on her. Not commenting about wrongdoings from people in positions and areas I’ve less interest in doesn’t excuse their behaviour. We’d all be here all night and all day if we attempted to do that.

As for the mainstream media, you’ll have to ask them. Anyway, I’ll leave it to others to continue that loop if they want to.

No doubt there will be others sweating now as the mob that brought down Angela drives a backlash mob against them. For what it’s worth I hope they’re equally successful and those in the firing line get what’s coming, but if it’s allowed I’ll cherry pick which of those to bother commenting on too.

 

[AndyWolves]

There was not one flicker of outrage when Jeremy hunt admitted he didn’t pay tax on 7 (SEVEN) flats he’d bought while chancellor, or when Nadim Zawahi was doing a deal with HMRC to try and get out of paying or reducing the amount to pay back on the 5 million he owed

If only she'd bought 6 properties it would have been a commercial transaction instead

 

[pagey]

She was the housing secretary, with reports recently that stamp duty will be rising, she should have been all over the rules.

She was deputy leader of a party who said they'd clean up politics from day one, after breaching ministerial code she had to go.

 

[BillyDee]

It’s being reported that she is leaving the Government.

Confirmed

Angela Rayner resigns from government over failure to pay enough tax on flat - live updates

"I take full responsibility," says Rayner as she quits as deputy PM, housing secretary and deputy Labour leader.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[sycophantia]

Not going to comment on whether she should or should not step down, she's made a mistake or she's been avoiding paying her dues deliberately, either way it's not a good look. Tories and Reform have also been guilty of this, Tories lost the election because of it, I'm hoping Reform members get caught out and lose credibility also.
News print media will always focus on a Labour wrongdoing, apart from the Guardian they're all owned by Tory supporters.
The big issue for me is Rayner is one of the MPs I was looking at to steer Labour in the right direction, most of the rest of the cabinet seem weak and ineffectual to me and play into Reforms hands. As a lifelong Labour voter I'm desperately worried that Reform will take power in the near future. The Conservatives are broken for the foreseeable.
The only hope atm is that Reform make enough fuck ups over the next couple of years that people see through them.