Keir Starmer at it again..

[Templeton Peck]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967589687578730614

Good to see we’ve got adults back in charge anyway

Some horrible cunts on the Labour right. Especially towards Abbott. Forde report wasn't pretty.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

 

[leedswolf]

Mythic Nostalgia and Unconscious Middle-Class Guilt Is Driving Labour onto a Dangerous Path

Keir Starmer’s embrace of a ‘Blue Labour’ strategy to serve the ‘real’ working-class and fight off Reform UK perilously ignores how society has fundamentally changed, writes Chris Grey

www.bylinesupplement.com

 

[Tredman]

I don't have huge hopes but this is at least a start

https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3lzia5fprs22d

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The gammons will not be happy

Starmer to unveil plan for digital ID cards to crack down on illegal immigration

Every adult in Britain will require a digital ID under plans to be set out by Sir Keir Starmer.

news.sky.com

 

[Wolftone]

The gammons will not be happy

Starmer to unveil plan for digital ID cards to crack down on illegal immigration

Every adult in Britain will require a digital ID under plans to be set out by Sir Keir Starmer.

news.sky.com

Every law abiding, legal adult it should say.

 

[BillyDee]

Wrll yes, that is the point.

 

[visage]

Every law abiding, legal adult it should say.

Whats wrong with a consistent single method to prove your identity? Loads of other countries have it.

 

[Wolftone]

Nothing. Assuming you like the government, police, banks, big business, illegal hackers, phone companies, advertising agencies to know where you are, what you do, what you like/dislike, who you vote for....
That and more is what digital means, we already know that.
It won't apply to anyone outside of the 'system' much as it doesn't do now.
It's as stupid as a knife or gun amnesty. No one who is outside of the law will willingly comply or be affected.
Cunts like Starmer and Blair, not content with what the government already has with N.I. number, passport, driving license, census records, credit checks, phone records, tracking your every movement, listening in with devices in your home, poking there noses up your very arsehole in the guise of 'keeping you safe' and 'law and order' and stopping illegal immigration.
Plenty on 'the left' 'the right' and centre against the idea.
The MSM government mouthpieces like Sky and BBC will be (are already) right behind it.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I dont really care either way but…

Nothing. Assuming you like the government, police, banks, big business, illegal hackers, phone companies, advertising agencies to know where you are - they already know this

what you do - they already know this

what you like/dislike - they have a decent idea on this

who you vote for - they don’t know this categorically, although social media posts may give them an idea! But not sure how digital ID allows them to know.

That and more is what digital means, we already know that. - does it?

tracking your every movement - I don’t think they give a shit, if they do, they are already doing it so probably doesn’t actually matter?

listening in with devices in your home - really?

 

[Wolftone]

Sorry. I read too much Orwell. Listened to too much Clash, Jam, Pistols.
Questioning the government was a leftist thing back in the day, complying seems to be the thing these days.
It's my age.

 

[visage]

Do the dozens of other countries with national ID schemes have all those issues you cite?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I don't have a problem with it, but I'm not sure what benefits it will provide us with, and i imagine it'll come at great cost.

 

[Wellen Wolf]

Do the dozens of other countries with national ID schemes have all those issues you cite?

Good question.
Bear with me as I am more than a bit complicated with my feet in several countries.
I currently have an 'Aufenthaltstitel' ie Permanent Resident Card in Germany and I will be getting my national electronic ID soon.
I work in Luxembourg and I have a digital ID also here. My UK ID is of course my one and only passport, my NHS number, my National Insurance Number, etc!
I also have a rolling but temporarily expired 'cedula' national ID card from Colombia.
Everywhere I have been throughout my life there has been the same mess as in the UK with driving licence numbers, health numbers, tax numbers, etc
I do not object as all of the governments and a fair few businesses including football clubs in the UK, Germany, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Colombia, Gabon, Kuwait and China have various pieces of data that by law I have had to supply. Furthermore, I have no doubt that IT companies, data collectors from computers since 1995, spy agencies, security organisations, employment agencies and banks have access or not to varying degrees of a ridiculous amount of 'information' about me. Most of them will have been totally disorganised and will have 'lost' certain details.
I am thoroughly aware that my international lifestyle is a tad extreme but there's not a lot I can do to protect my data and, in the end, I cannot say 'No' to them.
To be honest though it is really helpful having one nationally recognised ID card that all organisations from health to employers to the police can trust as I tend to be 'bona fide' wherever I am. I do understand that many people have such an identity and want to conceal things for various reasons.
To sum up, IMHO, it's about time the UK caught up on ID so Starmer and co do get my support on this.

 

[lemonjelly]

Nothing. Assuming you like the government, police, banks, big business, illegal hackers, phone companies, advertising agencies to know where you are, what you do, what you like/dislike, who you vote for....
That and more is what digital means, we already know that.

Am assuming that you don't own a mobile phone then? Everything you list is given via a phone. And pretty much everyone chooses to have one.

 

[visage]

Sorry. I read too much Orwell. Listened to too much Clash, Jam, Pistols.
Questioning the government was a leftist thing back in the day, complying seems to be the thing these days.
It's my age.

'If you want a picture of the future, imagine an easy to use way of proving your identity, forever'

 

[sycophantia]

I don't have a problem with it, but I'm not sure what benefits it will provide us with, and i imagine it'll come at great cost.

This is where I am. It's supposed to catch people in the black economy, not sure how it will.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

'If you want a picture of the future, imagine an easy to use way of proving your identity, forever'

Haven't looked too much into it, but it's a digital ID isnt it?

 

[visage]

The current proposal is that the ID will provide your name,DOB, immigration status/nationality and a photo.

Quite how that becomes an Orwellian nightmare I dont know.

 

[YoungWolf]

The current proposal is that the ID will provide your name,DOB, immigration status/nationality and a photo.

Quite how that becomes an Orwellian nightmare I dont know.

Yeah I’ve already had someone telling me it’s about them monitoring your every movement.

Like others. I don’t really have strong feelings either way. I’ve seen some fairly sensible reasons why it could be difficult to implement, what about people without smart phones, the homeless but I don’t see how the right have jumped straight to it being Orwellian when it was them suggesting it not so long ago..

My main opposition when I think about it is if his main reason for it is about refugees it just comes across to me that he is trying to pander to the right as usual.