Live Match Discussion 2025/26

[Jinky]

The way I see it is, people who were critical of the club a couple of months back got told they were “pant wetting” and to “judge at the end of the window”. Now those “pant wetters” are seemingly correct, the ones who were throwing those comments about have to default to something else. So it’s all “we actually agreed with you all along but just express ourselves differently”.

Do me a favour. It’s been the same for years but whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Banjo]

There are plenty of people who have told those who dare to criticise the club that they should “wait until the end of the window before casting judgement”. There are also a few that have defended the quality of the players we’ve signed, and jumped on anyone who’s dared to criticise. “It’s too early” etc.

Who has done that? Who is it that has got your goat so much that you think they're complacent, naive fools?

If anything’s weird, it’s the people that try to police others for having a marginally different opinion.

Again, where are the different opinions? I haven't seen any, except for Squeak (who we all think is a WUM) - that's now the fourth time I've said that and you never respond with an answer.

You seem to be in a separate group of one where you’re getting offended and thinking every post aimed at those defending the window, the club, or the quality of our signings, is aimed at you.

Oh, so your posts are aimed at specific people then? Who are they? Please don't say "Plenty of people" again. Name some names and, if I'm wrong and it turns out there's been a genuine debate happening on here where one or more people are defending the club, the window, and the quality of our signings, and debating you on it, I'd love to see some of this reasoned debate.

 

[Tredman]

There are plenty of people who have told those who dare to criticise the club that they should “wait until the end of the window before casting judgement”. There are also a few that have defended the quality of the players we’ve signed, and jumped on anyone who’s dared to criticise. “It’s too early” etc.

If anything’s weird, it’s the people that try to police others for having a marginally different opinion.

You seem to be in a separate group of one, where you’re getting offended and thinking every post aimed at those defending the window, the club, or the quality of our signings, is aimed at you.

He's definitely not in a group of one. Most people just can't be arsed with a circular argument. No one is happy with Fosun or our transfer activity. Literally no one. It's just that most don't feel the need to shout and be angry about it all the time.

 

[Jinky]

Who has done that? Who is it that has got your goat so much that you think they're complacent, naive fools?


Again, where are the different opinions? I haven't seen any, except for Squeak (who we all think is a WUM) - that's now the fourth time I've said that and you never respond with an answer.

Oh, so your posts are aimed at specific people then? Who are they? Please don't say "Plenty of people" again. Name some names and, if I'm wrong and it turns out there's been a genuine debate happening on here where one or more people are defending the club, the window, and the quality of our signings, and debating you on it, I'd love to see some of this reasoned debate.

Why would I name names? You’re welcome to trawl through my post history and have a read through the responses I’ve had over the last two months if you like. But I certainly don’t have the time or inclination to do that.

 

[Banjo]

The way I see it is, people who were critical of the club a couple of months back got told they were “pant wetting” and to “judge at the end of the window”. Now those “pant wetters” are seemingly correct, the ones who were throwing those comments about have to default to something else.

You've misunderstood the criticism that you received at the start of the window, then. It's not that people thought it would be any better by the end than you did, they were just exhausted by the running commentary of how awful everything was, especially when it was clogging up the transfer thread, which is where a lot of us get our information on latest transfers. That was, in my view, where most of your criticism came from: basically, "can you just give us a break for a bit before saying how awful everything is - we know, but just give us a summer, it's exhausting to keep reading all of the complaining all the time" (hence, "let's just wait to see where we are at the end").

So it’s all “we actually agreed with you all along but just express ourselves differently”. Do me a favour. It’s been the same for years but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Given I've literally been saying, "I agree with you, I just don't feel the need to say it all the time", all summer long, it really does feel like you're trying to make enemies for the sake of it.

 

[Banjo]

Why would I name names? You’re welcome to trawl through my post history and have a read through the responses I’ve had over the last two months if you like. But I certainly don’t have the time or inclination to do that.

Because you told me I'm in a group of one, which means there must be a group of dozens of people who have been defending the club to you (which I've missed) in order to justify you posting passive aggressive references to people having their heads buried in the sand and posting vaguely about posters (unknown, unidentified posters) that they're naive and you were right about Fosun/the transfer window all along, and they were wrong - when, in reality, no one disagreed with you in the first place, they just disagree with the way in which you post whenever it's the transfer window.

 

[YoungWolf]

Why would I name names?

They go to another school

 

[Jinky]

Because you told me I'm in a group of one, which means there must be a group of dozens of people who have been defending the club to you (which I've missed) in order to justify you posting passive aggressive references to people having their heads buried in the sand and posting vaguely about posters (unknown, unidentified posters) that they're naive and you were right about Fosun/the transfer window all along, and they were wrong - when, in reality, no one disagreed with you in the first place, they just disagree with the way in which you post whenever it's the transfer window.

I think you’re taking things too personally and too seriously. It’s not that deep.

And also, if people are being vocal and critical, what does it matter? Why are you trying to police them if you agree with them? THAT is odd.

 

[prawnking]

Jinky's right in that variations of this have been going on for years on here.

Why can't he say 'how awful it is' all the time if he likes, if that's how he likes using the forum? Why is he obliged to give anyone 'a break'?

It's not like he's the only repetitive person on here FFS, I sometimes log on and read the same arguments I did 10 years ago (and I can be guilty of that myself). He's one of the few people who gets regularly pulled up on it though, same as being 'negative'

It's not Jinky's job to curate your own preferred forum content. If you find him a bit one-note then just ignore/Ignore it and scroll by.

It's not like you work or live with him and have no choice, you can look at a different parts of the forum, write some positive yourself if you like, or even take a break.

This place is a pub and people should be able to vent if they like during a shit time

 

[Kenny]

This place is a pub

On learning this...next time I have to ban someone

 

[Jinky]

Jinky's right in that variations of this have been going on for years on here.

Why can't he say 'how awful it is' all the time if he likes, if that's how he likes using the forum? Why is he obliged to give anyone 'a break'?

It's not like he's the only repetitive person on here FFS, I sometimes log on and read the same arguments I did 10 years ago (and I can be guilty of that myself). He's one of the few people who gets regularly pulled up on it though, same as being 'negative'

It's not Jinky's job to curate your own preferred forum content. If you find him a bit one-note then just ignore/Ignore it and scroll by.

It's not like you work or live with him and have no choice, you can look at a different parts of the forum, write some positive yourself if you like, or even take a break.

This place is a pub and people should be able to vent if they like during a shit time

I’m going to have to start paying you commission soon for the number of times you defend me

 

[Banjo]

I think you’re taking things too personally and too seriously. It’s not that deep.

I think I'm taking things exactly how I choose to take them and if you don't care that I find your behaviour during the transfer window to be offensive, that's up to you. But I do and I'm letting you know.

And also, if people are being vocal and critical, what does it matter? Why are you trying to police them if you agree with them? THAT is odd.

I've already explained why on numerous occasions, but I'll try again.

1. The past few seasons and transfer windows have been depressing. I have a lot of anger for the club's owners and disappointment in what we've become, given where we were under Nuno. I don't find it healthy for me to be angry all the time. Indeed (as you especially will know very well given the very personal chats we've had over recent years), I'm trying my best in life to avoid letting anger control me, and to try to find ways to make anger less of an "easy" emotion for me to turn to. For that reason, I don't enjoy reading an echochamber of angry, negative thoughts during the off-season. I would rather look for a crumb of comfort in a transfer rumour or a signing, than read constant streams of frustration. But, hey, maybe I'm just being too deep or too precious for you in my island of one over here.

2. The transfer thread is where I get all of my news on Wolves' transfer business. I stopped using Twitter when Musk turned it into an echochamber of toxic negativity (for the same personal reasons you already know and as I've mentioned above). This means that when I come on TWF and see three unread pages, I'm looking forward to reading some links or something interesting. Instead, I'm reading pages of sackcloth-and-ashes handwringing telling me how awful Jeff Shi is - as if I didn't already know. It made the site less fun, less interesting, and less welcoming for me. Again, you may not care that this is the effect your posts during the off season have on me, but I'm letting you know.

3. No one disagrees with the substance of what you're saying. It's the way in which you are saying it that I find the need to challenge on occasion, because I think it's unhealthy and I don't consider it to be debate. If you have no intention to consider and think upon your way of communicating and how it affects other people, that's entirely your prerogative, but I'm equally entitled to tell you how I feel.

 

[Banjo]

Jinky's right in that variations of this have been going on for years on here.

Why can't he say 'how awful it is' all the time if he likes, if that's how he likes using the forum? Why is he obliged to give anyone 'a break'?

It's not like he's the only repetitive person on here FFS, I sometimes log on and read the same arguments I did 10 years ago (and I can be guilty of that myself). He's one of the few people who gets regularly pulled up on it though, same as being 'negative'

It's not Jinky's job to curate your own preferred forum content. If you find him a bit one-note then just ignore/Ignore it and scroll by.

It's not like you work or live with him and have no choice, you can look at a different parts of the forum, write some positive yourself if you like, or even take a break.

This place is a pub and people should be able to vent if they like during a shit time

This is exactly why I proposed a separate thread for the complaining because it was making the transfer window, for me, utterly unreadable. That thread is pretty much the only thread of any interest over the summer, and it was like a fucking binfire.

But when I suggested a different thread, I was told (by you) that I was "precious" and by Jinky that I was trying to "stifle debate". I hadn't seen any debate, I'd just seen a lot of complaining about things which we all dislike, and I didn't like seeing it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

A tangent from earlier; mentioned on Sky that around a third of Fulham's goals since the start of last season have been by subs. They're a bit of an outlier compared to the league average, sure, but today they brought on Robinson (who to be fair, would normally start but is just coming back from injury), Wilson, Smith-Rowe and Raul. Left Adama unused. They are all players who can (and do) change games.

We have NOTHING in reserve. Nothing at all, especially if the manager is now adamant that we can't make use of Sasa for even 10 minutes.

It's a huge issue and one where we're way behind teams that have to be considered our competitors.

 

[Jinky]

I think I'm taking things exactly how I choose to take them and if you don't care that I find your behaviour during the transfer window to be offensive, that's up to you. But I do and I'm letting you know.

I've already explained why on numerous occasions, but I'll try again.

1. The past few seasons and transfer windows have been depressing. I have a lot of anger for the club's owners and disappointment in what we've become, given where we were under Nuno. I don't find it healthy for me to be angry all the time. Indeed (as you especially will know very well given the very personal chats we've had over recent years), I'm trying my best in life to avoid letting anger control me, and to try to find ways to make anger less of an "easy" emotion for me to turn to. For that reason, I don't enjoy reading an echochamber of angry, negative thoughts during the off-season. I would rather look for a crumb of comfort in a transfer rumour or a signing, than read constant streams of frustration. But, hey, maybe I'm just being too deep or too precious for you in my island of one over here.

2. The transfer thread is where I get all of my news on Wolves' transfer business. I stopped using Twitter when Musk turned it into an echochamber of toxic negativity (for the same personal reasons you already know and as I've mentioned above). This means that when I come on TWF and see three unread pages, I'm looking forward to reading some links or something interesting. Instead, I'm reading pages of sackcloth-and-ashes handwringing telling me how awful Jeff Shi is - as if I didn't already know. It made the site less fun, less interesting, and less welcoming for me. Again, you may not care that this is the effect your posts during the off season have on me, but I'm letting you know.

3. No one disagrees with the substance of what you're saying. It's the way in which you are saying it that I find the need to challenge on occasion, because I think it's unhealthy and I don't consider it to be debate. If you have no intention to consider and think upon your way of communicating and how it affects other people, that's entirely your prerogative, but I'm equally entitled to tell you how I feel.

Fair enough, my friend.

I’d argue that if you already know how shit it is, and you agree with it, it baffles me somewhat that you’d log on to the forum - see 3 new pages on the transfer thread and assume or expect it to be about an outrageous signing we’re about to make, as opposed to more of the same.

I can separate our personal chats to the discussions we have on the forum about Wolves - but if you struggle to do that, fair enough and I take that on board and will consider that when posting in the future. However, I’d equally say it’s not much fun to be patronised or constantly policed on having an opinion, or on how often I express that. It’s a two sided thing and perhaps both sides need to take a breath.

 

[Banjo]

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We’ll be fine though…

In that spirit, can you knock this type of shit on the head? Or if you really think someone on here has got their head buried in the sand, just come out and say so / name them so that we can all see the "debate" that I'm apparently trying to stifle?

 

[Banjo]

Fair enough, my friend.

I’d argue that if you already know how shit it is, and you agree with it, it baffles me somewhat that you’d log on to the forum - see 3 new pages on the transfer thread and assume or expect it to be about an outrageous signing we’re about to make, as opposed to more of the same.

I'd rather see no unread pages and get on with my day than see three unread pages and feel a glimmer of excitement about something finally happening with our transfers. It's not an assumption or an expectation, it's looking for a hint of something hopeful in the shitshow that is Fosun's Wolves.

 

[prawnking]

This is exactly why I proposed a separate thread for the complaining because it was making the transfer window, for me, utterly unreadable. That thread is pretty much the only thread of any interest over the summer, and it was like a fucking binfire.

But when I suggested a different thread, I was told (by you) that I was "precious" and by Jinky that I was trying to "stifle debate". I hadn't seen any debate, I'd just seen a lot of complaining about things which we all dislike, and I didn't like seeing it.

It just made no sense. Complaining is an interwoven part of most threads; there'll be a thread on gardening where people are complaining FFS how practically are you separating that? Not to mention the condescending and elitist undertone anyway.

I think your expectations are pretty unrealistic for a football message board; most online football content I see is 80% complaining! I'd exercise, listen to some music or go for a walk if I felt like giving myself a positive mental uplift...I'd certainly give anything to do with the internet and especially Wolves 2025 a wide berth! Don't think piling responsibility on another poster is particularly appropriate or fair

 

[Jinky]

I'd rather see no unread pages and get on with my day than see three unread pages and feel a glimmer of excitement about something finally happening with our transfers. It's not an assumption or an expectation, it's looking for a hint of something hopeful in the shitshow that is Fosun's Wolves.

But that’s your personal preference and this is an online forum where people will post as they see fit. You can’t police that, unfortunately. If it makes you angry, my suggestion (as a friend) would be to avoid it entirely and get your transfer news/rumours from somewhere else.