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Bit long, but this thread is an absolute doozy of the "didn't realise it worked both ways" type:
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277505330885386240?s=19
Just had conversation with a British couple who have a holiday home near us. They voted for Brexit and have made no arrangements whatsoever for what happens on Jan 1. They have now discovered the reality of their situation.
The blame apparently is with "Brussels".
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277505330885386240?s=19
Just had conversation with a British couple who have a holiday home near us. They voted for Brexit and have made no arrangements whatsoever for what happens on Jan 1. They have now discovered the reality of their situation.
The blame apparently is with "Brussels".
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Even if it is made up, you can be sure that there are plenty of people out there who are of a similar ilk.
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It's all been deleted so presumably bollocks
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From the Telegraph;
A new Brexit IT system faces nearly seven times more customs declarations than it was designed to cope with, it has emerged, as fears mount over preparedness for new border procedures.
A version of the Goods Vehicle Movement Service (GVMS) was created before the EU referendum and HMRC has been moving users to it since August 2018.
However, sources said the system was intended to cope with only 60 million customs declarations per year. To adhere to the Northern Ireland Protocol after the end of the transition period it will need to support 400 million declarations annually.
HMRC is not planning to test the system until November, weeks before Britain’s final exit from the EU, it is understood. The French equivalent is already built and tested.
Duncan Buchanan, policy director at the Road Haulage Association, said the schedule was “hugely concerning”.
He added: “It’s not businesses’ fault for not being prepared when we don’t have the systems and information to prepare with.”
An 11-page slide presentation from HMRC, seen by The Sunday Telegraph, outlining the electronic paperwork for goods travelling from Great Britain to Northern Ireland, said “only those goods which are at risk of entering the EU will face duties”.
However, Stephen Kelly, chief executive of the group Manufacturing Northern Ireland, added that a lack of data about trade flows across the Irish Sea meant the volume of goods “at risk” of being resold into the single market was being overestimated.
With less than six months until Britain begins its new trading relationship with the EU, HMRC launched a survey for businesses last month to gather information on such trade.
Mr Kelly said: “It’s all coming very late. As a result, there’s the risk we end up designing a system that’s overly bureaucratic, onerous on businesses who don’t have the capacity or capital to deal with it, and as a result the whole thing will fall down.”
HMRC’s presentation set out further detail about the GVMS, which will allow HMRC to link together declaration references so that the person moving the goods, such as a haulier, only has to present one single reference – a “goods movement reference” (GMR).
But Aodhán Connolly, director of the Northern Ireland Retail Consortium, warned that producing the GMR would put an administrative burden on businesses already strained by Covid-19.
He said: “It’s great the haulier has one piece of paperwork, but businesses will still need lots of man hours to put in the four other things – the safety, security, transit and export declarations – before we get the GMR number.”
Surely it will be goldstandard and world class, just like our test and trace, the world is so jealous of.
I have already started hording toiletpaper. We all have been warned.
A new Brexit IT system faces nearly seven times more customs declarations than it was designed to cope with, it has emerged, as fears mount over preparedness for new border procedures.
A version of the Goods Vehicle Movement Service (GVMS) was created before the EU referendum and HMRC has been moving users to it since August 2018.
However, sources said the system was intended to cope with only 60 million customs declarations per year. To adhere to the Northern Ireland Protocol after the end of the transition period it will need to support 400 million declarations annually.
HMRC is not planning to test the system until November, weeks before Britain’s final exit from the EU, it is understood. The French equivalent is already built and tested.
Duncan Buchanan, policy director at the Road Haulage Association, said the schedule was “hugely concerning”.
He added: “It’s not businesses’ fault for not being prepared when we don’t have the systems and information to prepare with.”
An 11-page slide presentation from HMRC, seen by The Sunday Telegraph, outlining the electronic paperwork for goods travelling from Great Britain to Northern Ireland, said “only those goods which are at risk of entering the EU will face duties”.
However, Stephen Kelly, chief executive of the group Manufacturing Northern Ireland, added that a lack of data about trade flows across the Irish Sea meant the volume of goods “at risk” of being resold into the single market was being overestimated.
With less than six months until Britain begins its new trading relationship with the EU, HMRC launched a survey for businesses last month to gather information on such trade.
Mr Kelly said: “It’s all coming very late. As a result, there’s the risk we end up designing a system that’s overly bureaucratic, onerous on businesses who don’t have the capacity or capital to deal with it, and as a result the whole thing will fall down.”
HMRC’s presentation set out further detail about the GVMS, which will allow HMRC to link together declaration references so that the person moving the goods, such as a haulier, only has to present one single reference – a “goods movement reference” (GMR).
But Aodhán Connolly, director of the Northern Ireland Retail Consortium, warned that producing the GMR would put an administrative burden on businesses already strained by Covid-19.
He said: “It’s great the haulier has one piece of paperwork, but businesses will still need lots of man hours to put in the four other things – the safety, security, transit and export declarations – before we get the GMR number.”
Surely it will be goldstandard and world class, just like our test and trace, the world is so jealous of.
I have already started hording toiletpaper. We all have been warned.
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He said: “It’s great the haulier has one piece of paperwork, but businesses will still need lots of man hours to put in the four other things – the safety, security, transit and export declarations ”
I really don't know how I managed it, with the exception of an agent making an export declaration, I use to do that on my own,Of our 5/6000 tonne turnover 1/2000 was outside the EU either this chap is 'over egging the pudding' or I'm a lot better than I thought I was (no prizes for guessing which ? )
I really don't know how I managed it, with the exception of an agent making an export declaration, I use to do that on my own,Of our 5/6000 tonne turnover 1/2000 was outside the EU either this chap is 'over egging the pudding' or I'm a lot better than I thought I was (no prizes for guessing which ? )
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He said: “It’s great the haulier has one piece of paperwork, but businesses will still need lots of man hours to put in the four other things – the safety, security, transit and export declarations ”
I really don't know how I managed it, with the exception of an agent making an export declaration, I use to do that on my own,Of our 5/6000 tonne turnover 1/2000 was outside the EU either this chap is 'over egging the pudding' or I'm a lot better than I thought I was (no prizes for guessing which ? )
Was it finished goods though? When I used to sell UK made electronic outside EU every shipment needed a specific CofO from the chamber of commerce - was a flipping pain in the backside and usually took at least a week.
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The Asian countries always needed a certificate of origin usually specified in the Letter of Credit, but I had in theory, until the ship disclosed it's manifest for that to be submitted. LoC's were a pain in the arse as paperwork flying backwards and forwards to a German bank umpteen times because you put the name of a company as 'limited' and the contract stated they were Ltd. !!!
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In other news:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/06/eu-commission-rejects-raab-claims-medical-procurement-row
It certainly seems that despite the EU's offers to work co-operatively in addressing C-19, the government is repeatedly rejecting such offers on ideological grounds. Not unlike their declining to work with opposition parties.
It is almost like they don't want any scrutiny whatsoever?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/06/eu-commission-rejects-raab-claims-medical-procurement-row
It certainly seems that despite the EU's offers to work co-operatively in addressing C-19, the government is repeatedly rejecting such offers on ideological grounds. Not unlike their declining to work with opposition parties.
It is almost like they don't want any scrutiny whatsoever?
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Barnier's response to the ERG chairman.
Mark Francois's response was to bang on about the EU being run by unelected Commissioners, clearly failing to see the irony in Dom Cummings role and concluded;
“All I and my colleagues in the ERG have ever really wanted, is to live in a free country, which elects its own Government and makes it own laws and then lives under them in peace.”
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that already the case?
Mark Francois's response was to bang on about the EU being run by unelected Commissioners, clearly failing to see the irony in Dom Cummings role and concluded;
“All I and my colleagues in the ERG have ever really wanted, is to live in a free country, which elects its own Government and makes it own laws and then lives under them in peace.”
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that already the case?
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That live blog makes interesting reading. It seems Brexit will be shit in all facets and even the Express are struggling to hide that. I’m shocked at this.
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Indeed Paddy.
For example;
Britain is “too self-involved” to see Brexit isn’t a priority for the EU anymore, a Brussels official has bragged.
An EU diplomat has said Brexit “isn’t on the EU’s radar anymore” after the bloc spent days thrashing out its economic recovery fund to manage the fallout from the coronavirus crisis.
Another expert also described Brexit as a “small beer” in comparison to the other problems the bloc is currently facing.
For example;
Britain is “too self-involved” to see Brexit isn’t a priority for the EU anymore, a Brussels official has bragged.
An EU diplomat has said Brexit “isn’t on the EU’s radar anymore” after the bloc spent days thrashing out its economic recovery fund to manage the fallout from the coronavirus crisis.
Another expert also described Brexit as a “small beer” in comparison to the other problems the bloc is currently facing.
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Whilst the UK wants to have a good trade relationship with the EU as a sovereign state, the EU has different ideas. They want our money and they want to stop us being a competitor. The Withdrawal Agreement (WA) we signed last year sadly helps them.
That comment is from IDS. A man voted for the withdrawal agreement and also voted to rush it through so MP's didn't have time to read and discuss it in greater detail.
Its staggering he can even come out with shit like this and somehow still blame the EU and people agree.
That comment is from IDS. A man voted for the withdrawal agreement and also voted to rush it through so MP's didn't have time to read and discuss it in greater detail.
Its staggering he can even come out with shit like this and somehow still blame the EU and people agree.
