The Red Card Effect

[Dinowolf]

Great news that Sako's red card has been rescinded.

Wolves shouldn't just let this lie, although I don't know what specific action they could take and whether it would be best to wait until the season ends.

This is the third red card this season and two of them have been rescinded. It's good they have been rescinded, but look at the effect they have had. There is no doubt that VLP's had a dramatic effect on that game and probably cost us at least a point, and while Sako's probably didn't have any direct effect on the result, we could have lost at least one other player because of the reaction it caused.

What would have been the outcome if the incident had happened earlier in the game? The effect these really poor decisions can have on your season cannot just be ignored and swept under the carpet. Yes, it would help if players didn't cheat but IMO the main problem is referees making assumptions as to what has actually happened because they have only got an impression of an incident, and because they feel they have to make a decision, they are guessing.
This usually happens because they are not up with play through a lack of fitness, agility or skill, and while this has been getting worse for a few years now, it has really become glaringly obvious this season.

If you go on any Championship Club forum you soon realise it's not just Wolves that are suffering and most sensible contributors are asking the same questions and looking for some kind of action from the authorities.

 

[Walnut]

It's not just referees though, how many times do you see a (linesman) referees assistant seeing things that the referee can't see and not bringing it to the referee's attention.
They have instant communication so there is no excuse.

 

[Leigh Griffiths' Hairline]

What I don't understand is why Forestieri does not retrospectively receive the three match ban for blatant cheating.

 

[Walnut]

What I don't understand is why Forestieri does not retrospectively receive the three match ban for blatant cheating.

Exactly. They have seen the video footage so they should take appropriate action.

 

[Espresso]

I understand the frustration but what do you want to happen? Replay the game every time there's a contentious decision?

 

[Wolf Hunting]

I'd really like to see the Watford Manager taking this cheating thing seriously and publicy flogging the bastard, fining him, putting him on the transfer list (we don't want players like that here) and suspending him, (He's a huge embarrassment to the club).
I'd like to see Van Gaal doing the same to that twat that got sent off, in fact it won't change until every manager cleans it up publically!

 

[Walnut]

It wouldn't be contentious if the assistant did his job properly. One other thing, I would have thought that Watford would watch the video. If they did they have a duty to fine the player concerned so this sort of thing is stamped out.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I'd really like to see the Watford Manager taking this cheating thing seriously and publicy flogging the bastard, fining him, putting him on the transfer list (we don't want players like that here) and suspending him, (He's a huge embarrassment to the club).
I'd like to see Van Gaal doing the same to that twat that got sent off, in fact it won't change until every manager cleans it up publically!

Watford have already taken action against the player for a previous incident of simulation. We wait and see what happens now, although Troy Deeney's comments suggest the club will close ranks. Whatever they do now makes no difference to us so a with-hunt seems fairly pointless.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

It's not just referees though, how many times do you see a (linesman) referees assistant seeing things that the referee can't see and not bringing it to the referee's attention.
They have instant communication so there is no excuse.

I am sure that assistant referees do bring incidents to the referees attention, but the referee is in charge of the game and it is up to him whether he goes along with his assistant. In my experience, they nearly always do. I was not at Molineux on Saturday, did the referee and his assistant discuss the situation before Sako was sent off?

 

[Kenny]

Nope. He ran / wobbled over and showed the red.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Same process as Mike Jones with Van La Parra - made a rash decision, no consultation with his assistants.

The standard of officials is dreadful and hiding behind legalese and technicalities does them no favours.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Would have more respect if once they re watched the incident they held their hands up & accepted that they fucked up. (& this one was far more clear cut than the VLP one) - the fact that in most cases they don't is almost as bad as the initial decision.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Nope. He ran / wobbled over and showed the red.

So the referee based his decision on what he saw. He was obviously wrong, and it is a pity he did not admit that.

Interestingly, and possibly it is a coincidence, but Mr Malone has not been appointed to a football league game this weekend.

 

[Dinowolf]

So the referee based his decision on what he saw. He was obviously wrong, and it is a pity he did not admit that.

Interestingly, and possibly it is a coincidence, but Mr Malone should not be appointed to a football league game again.

Fixed it for you Frank.

 

[darlowolf64]

So the referee based his decision on what he saw. He was obviously wrong, and it is a pity he did not admit that.

Interestingly, and possibly it is a coincidence, but Mr Malone has not been appointed to a football league game this weekend.

The referee actually based his decision on what he couldn't possibly of seen from where he was when it occured... He ASSUMED Sako raised his hands and a chat with his Assistant SHOULD of made it clear that Sako did nothing wrong...

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

What I don't understand is why Forestieri does not retrospectively receive the three match ban for blatant cheating.

This in Spades

I hate cheating and the FA should be doing more to stop the cheating

Instead they hide behind the Ref and let them take all the blame

 

[Alan]

I understand the frustration but what do you want to happen? Replay the game every time there's a contentious decision?

Pretty much agree with this. I think we're much too harsh on the refs, generally. There's only so much they can do.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

The FA cannot take retrospective action against the Watford player. The referee acknowledged that he saw the incident and sent off Sako for violent conduct. We all know that was wrong, but the FA do not have the power to take any further action on an incident that the referee has already dealt with.

 

[Alan]

The FA cannot take retrospective action against the Watford player. The referee acknowledged that he saw the incident and sent off Sako for violent conduct. We all know that was wrong, but the FA do not have the power to take any further action on an incident that the referee has already dealt with.

Pardon, Frank, but that is a fucking ridiculous and stupid rule.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Pretty much agree with this. I think we're much too harsh on the refs, generally. There's only so much they can do.

We're not too harsh at all. We accept they make mistakes, no-one expects perfection. We do not expect them to be guessing on big decisions (this prat on Saturday) or getting their own version of the red mist and making split second decisions when they have ages to think about it (Jones vs Bournemouth), and we do expect them to have an understanding of the game (very few of them seem to have this).

Oliver got praise last night and rightly so. He stood out precisely because referees generally have fallen to a woeful standard. There is no excuse for it either - they have got worse with increasing professionalism and the lack of accountability is a stain on the game.