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V.A.R. - Good for Purpose??

Dinowolf

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There have been many comments on here about the VAR system and how it affects the game, for good or bad.

"Premier League chairmen will next month review the policy on pitchside monitors following a rash of controversial VAR incidents including a debatable call to rule out a winner for Arsenal yesterday. (27th Oct.)

There have been 100 Premier League matches so far this season and 26 overturned decisions but due to the existing policy there has not been a single incident where the referee has consulted the monitor himself. The top-flight clubs will meet in London in three weeks’ time when the issue will be discussed." (The Times)

Whether this will improve anything remains to be seen but it is obviously a matter of concern for the clubs and an enigma for fans esp. those watching the game at the ground.
 
I've no issue with var itself but it needs to be quicker. The biggest problem for me is the operators get lots of decisions wrong at the end of it, can't believe its just incompetance, for most of the season they have just gone with the refs call when it was obviously wrong, then last weekend they over-reacted to criticism and gave some ridiculous penalties, they just need to grow a spine and give what they see and not worry about upsetting any of the authorities
 
Three issues for me right now:

1) Speed. I mean Man City's second goal vs Villa. You don't need 20 replays to make your call on whether Sterling is interfering with play or not, and that is the only question. Surely you either think he is or he isn't. Why all the delay?

2) Communication inside the grounds, trust the fans FFS. Show the pictures, put the audio over the Tannoy (TM).

3) Consistency - the biggest one. Let's have a look yesterday at United's penalty on James and our non-penalty on Doherty. You might decide that they're both penalties. You might decide that neither are, there isn't really enough in it. You can't have it where one is given and one isn't! This is supposed to give us definitive answers with the benefit of having multiple angles and extra time to have a look in slow motion, not give us another level of subjectivity.

Fans do need to grow up a bit with it. It's no good flinging your arms around and having a tantrum, or indulging in genuinely mental conspiracy theories. It's here, it isn't going to go away. So the concerns need to be voiced sensibly, then perhaps the authorities will listen.
 
Thirty second review time then it’s too late. That would rule out the slide rule calls and I can live with that. A howler is spotted within seconds. The ref then must review every case to see the evidence. Then they make the decision based on the evidence. It’s not hard. It is so not why we needed var
 
They don't need to consult a monitor. There's two great big screens they could put it on.

I have no idea why these people are in charge. They are the British Leyland of the 21st Century.
 
They don't need to consult a monitor. There's two great big screens they could put it on.

I have no idea why these people are in charge. They are the British Leyland of the 21st Century.
The quality and quantity of the screens varies though. (United and Pool don't have them)

The pitch side monitor would be fine by me. Having different refs potentially over ruling the pitch ref is causing the biggest problems.
 
The quality and quantity of the screens varies though. (United and Pool don't have them)

The pitch side monitor would be fine by me. Having different refs potentially over ruling the pitch ref is causing the biggest problems.

Easy thing with our pen yesterday. "Kev, we've spotted a shirt pull in the box. We'd like you to have another look."

Then he can make his decision. I wouldn't necessarily blame him for not seeing it in real time.

Staggering that the Fernandez/Jota challenge wasn't even looked at.
 
I reckon they could afford a couple of screens. If they don’t, relegate then.
 
Communication is the main one for me. We need to know in the ground what is happening. I also agree with suggestion of a time limit. If it can't be decided in 30 seconds then it's not clear and obvious and you stick with the original decision.
 
Sadly VAR will not be sent back to the fetid pool of "ideas to ruin football" it came from (also featuring Golden/Silver goal and the current handball rule).

The VAR official should be allowed 1 view (from each angle) in real time. If there is nothing obvious then the ruling stands. There's no value in ruling about Sterling's big toe being offside but you won't see that in real time, however you would see Bertrand mashing Perez.

After that, leave the faux outrage and slow motion replays to Carragher and Neville and the fans trying to explain why their crap team deserves a draw after a 3-0 loss ("Well, their big lad was offside in the 1st phase of play,l for the 1st goal, plus jonesey had his shirt pulled on the 2nd and of Balloni had scored that chance...")
 
I think some refs would bottle it and run the time down, rather than overturning a decision.
 
It doesn't look to me like they're checking stuff in real time. Let's say it's a potential foul in the box, play goes on, ball eventually goes out and THEN the ref starts the process off. The VAR folk should be looking while the game is ongoing and alerting the ref as appropriate. As it is we get a dead pause from when the ball is dead...and it takes forever.

Even as someone who is broadly on board (having seen it largely work well in Germany) I will admit it has been a poor experience so far. But it really hasn't helped Wolves fans' perceptions when literally everything has gone against us so far! Even the goals/penalties we've had begrudgingly given after a check leave a bit of a sour taste because again, the same standards don't seem to apply to everyone (yes, I'm going to mention that bloody offside at Everton again).

I still say the "celebration" point doesn't stand up and never will in my book. I was up for all three incidents vs Southampton and had we scored a winner near the end I wouldn't have been holding back either.
 
I will never be able buy into having a goal mental and after its died down we get told...after 2 mins...nah that didnt count.

Nowt like when the ref or lino rule it out as you are stopped within seconds.
 
Techs fine

The implementation of it is as bad as it could possibly have been
 
Communication is the main one for me. We need to know in the ground what is happening. I also agree with suggestion of a time limit. If it can't be decided in 30 seconds then it's not clear and obvious and you stick with the original decision.

These two fix it for me - as it stands, it’s pretty shit.
 
Isn't it nice that the post match thread for the Villa Cup game is about the match and not how VAR has ruined it?
 
There seems less problem with VAR this weekend in all matches?
 
There seems less problem with VAR this weekend in all matches?
Depends on your view of the Watford penalty. Ref sees contact followed by dive and doesn't give it. Another ref views it a different way. Gets given because the second opinion triumphs over the first.

I saw it the same way as the ref on the pitch.
 
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