General Wolves News

[Del Woppio]

I don't care how many chinless virgin pricks love "eSports", it's never ever ever ever going to result in us signing a player, or reducing ticket prices, or have any meaningful, measurable, positive impact on the football club. It's just ridiculous and embarrassing

 

[Alan]

I dunno, he doesn’t come off as all that unreasonable to me. Certainly better than his letters or whatever.

I know people fucking hate the man but you’d think he was purposely destroying the club.

Now please, Jeff. Let VP do the heavy lifting on recruitment.

 

[Del Woppio]

Also if we'd have rebuilt the Steve Bull stand seven years ago, he wouldn't have been about to talk for 86 minutes because he'd still be sucking himself off about how amazing he is at business and what a long term legacy fosun are leaving. It needs doing. Yes it'll hurt in the short term but if he wants a sustainable business and to attract corporate customers and events, then you need better facilities

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I am confused Dan we discussed at length about how many fans we'd lose last season with them putting the prices up.

You thought it'd be more than I did.

But my argument from Shi's point of view was that the club would still make more cash even with fewer ticket sales.

With a higher capacity, they could lower the prices and get more in and raise more cash that way.

Let's use fag packet maths

31,000 @ £40 a ticket on average = £1.25m per game
40,000 @ £25 a ticket on average = £1m a game

It doesn't add up. And you have to make that £50m (or more) stand pay for itself, not be a loss leader.

 

[Alan]

I don't care how many chinless virgin pricks love "eSports", it's never ever ever ever going to result in us signing a player, or reducing ticket prices, or have any meaningful, measurable, positive impact on the football club. It's just ridiculous and embarrassing

I believe you mean “virgin geek fuckwads”.

 

[Jinky]

The Jota stuff has also annoyed me. Obviously he’s sticking the blame for that on Nuno. I bet he’s sick in his mouth every morning waking up knowing Nuno has guided a club like Forest to Europe. He simply CANNOT STAND the credit going to someone else.

And then when there’s a very simple answer to the “worst signing?” question - er, how about the £35m flop? - he pulls Cutrone from nowhere.

Dick.

 

[Del Woppio]

Let's use fag packet maths

31,000 @ £40 a ticket on average = £1.25m per game
40,000 @ £25 a ticket on average = £1m a game

It doesn't add up. And you have to make that £50m (or more) stand pay for itself, not be a loss leader.

But at the higher ticket sooner or later the old fans die and the young ones aren't interested because they've never been and aren't in love with/addicted to at it all.

 

[Del Woppio]

I believe you mean “virgin geek fuckwads”.

I was mixing it up man

 

[Alan]

But at the higher ticket sooner or later the old fans die and the young ones aren't interested because they've never been and aren't in love with/addicted to at it all.

Something like that would never be down to just the one cause tbf.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

But at the higher ticket sooner or later the old fans die and the young ones aren't interested because they've never been and aren't in love with/addicted to at it all.

That's a separate issue, isn't it. And they've now put themselves in a position where they can't really hack away at the prices.

I'm not defending any of it, not least what it costs for a one-off game, which is now the position I'm in as they won't even sell a season ticket to me if I'm not a member (which is ridiculous, as we'll be putting 9-10k seats up for sale every single game next season). I can afford it but it very much sticks in the craw to throw £50+ to go and watch Gonçalo Guedes trundle around for an hour.

They aren't bothered about that though. Hence prices going up 64% (minimum) over the course of five years.

What I am saying is "just build a new stand you fucking wanker" isn't really a very good argument.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Let's use fag packet maths

31,000 @ £40 a ticket on average = £1.25m per game
40,000 @ £25 a ticket on average = £1m a game

It doesn't add up. And you have to make that £50m (or more) stand pay for itself, not be a loss leader.

But at the higher ticket sooner or later the old fans die and the young ones aren't interested because they've never been and aren't in love with/addicted to at it all.

And it'd be £30-50 depending on category of opponent. Plus more hospitality, and anyway my original point was that Fosun aren't here for 5-10 years so they don't give a fuck anyway.

 

[Jinky]

But at the higher ticket sooner or later the old fans die and the young ones aren't interested because they've never been and aren't in love with/addicted to at it all.

Which is exactly where I’m at with my little one. He’s at the age now where I want to take him - probably a year or so older than I was when I got taken to my first match - but it’s just not really practical when you consider the total cost of the day. If the whole experience cost less, we’d have definitely been to a few games together already. Fosun and Jeff Shi have decided they’d rather charge more and have less people there.

It’s not a unique issue to just Wolves. On every school run I see Man City, Liverpool, Man Utd clobber everywhere. We’ll never be able to match those clubs global reach and thinking you can do so by building some sort of esports brand is naive at best. You need our fanbase to pass it down through the generations. That’s how you build a fanbase at a club like Wolves. Jeff Shi thinks he’s too clever for all that though and can find a “smarter way”.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

And it'd be £30-50 depending on category of opponent. Plus more hospitality, and anyway my original point was that Fosun aren't here for 5-10 years so they don't give a fuck anyway.

You're not even hitting break even with your metrics though, and we need to build the thing first, and we'll lose how much income while it's being built?

It's fine to want a new one, it's fine to say that as a long-term investment it needs doing, it's fine to say that eventually one day it *might* pay off, it's fine to slag off the current prices, it's fine to ponder where our fanbase actually is when at 44, I'm still towards the lower end of the age scale in the North Bank.

However, in the short to medium term it would absolutely, definitely, 100% cost the club a lot of money, money that the owners don't want to spend as they want the club to run itself (which it can and can't).

 

[Kenny]

I don't care how many chinless virgin pricks love "eSports", it's never ever ever ever going to result in us signing a player, or reducing ticket prices, or have any meaningful, measurable, positive impact on the football club. It's just ridiculous and embarrassing

Not about the money we can make from it (from my understanding) it's the favour it brings from their Government. Helps Guo avoid another 2 week holiday he wasnt planning for one thing.
Notice how the majority of Chinese owned football clubs have been binned but we remain as our owners know how to play that game.

Would prefer what we have now over what a lot of clubs with Chinese owners have gone through...Obviously would prefer more ambitious owners but for some reason the oil money isn't attracted to Wolverhampton.

 

[Tredman]

Which is exactly where I’m at with my little one. He’s at the age now where I want to take him - probably a year or so older than I was when I got taken to my first match - but it’s just not really practical when you consider the total cost of the day. If the whole experience cost less, we’d have definitely been to a few games together already. Fosun and Jeff Shi have decided they’d rather charge more and have less people there.

It’s not a unique issue to just Wolves. On every school run I see Man City, Liverpool, Man Utd clobber everywhere. We’ll never be able to match those clubs global reach and thinking you can do so by building some sort of esports brand is naive at best. You need our fanbase to pass it down through the generations. That’s how you build a fanbase at a club like Wolves. Jeff Shi thinks he’s too clever for all that though and can find a “smarter way”.

There's tons of kids local to me in Wolves kits, when I was their age I didn't know another wolves fan my age and we're only 10 miles from Molineux. There's a whole load of kids desperate to go but don't as their Dad's think it's too much hassle

 

[Jinky]

There's tons of kids local to me in Wolves kits, when I was their age I didn't know another wolves fan my age and we're only 10 miles from Molineux. There's a whole load of kids desperate to go but don't as their Dad's think it's too much hassle

Where are you based, though? My guess is, not far from Wolverhampton. If thats the case, you’ve missed my point.

 

[Tredman]

Where are you based, though? My guess is, not far from Wolverhampton. If thats the case, you’ve missed my point.

Stafford, and no I haven't. Why would you ever expect any kids out of the West Midlands to support Wolves. My point was that even *in* the West Midlands they didn't support Wolves and now do.

The ticket prices are insane, but for kids they are not that bad - took my youngest to a few last season and didn't pay much at all, not the sky 6 games but he got to go regardless.

 

[AndyWolves]

I'd be fairly confident in saying that the average age of fans going to Molineux each season is increasing. When they stop going who is going to replace them?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'd be fairly confident in saying that the average age of fans going to Molineux each season is increasing. When they stop going who is going to replace them?

How is this the same argument as "knock down an entire side of the ground and rebuild it, even bigger, when we had loads of games last season that didn't sell out"?

 

[Jinky]

Stafford, and no I haven't. Why would you ever expect any kids out of the West Midlands to support Wolves. My point was that even *in* the West Midlands they didn't support Wolves and now do.

The ticket prices are insane, but for kids they are not that bad - took my youngest to a few last season and didn't pay much at all, not the sky 6 games but he got to go regardless.

That’s my point. They won’t and no one with a brain would expect them to. But Jeff Shi is smarter than us all and thinks by building an esports brand, he can have Wolves spread far and wide across the globe.

Interesting re; kids ticket prices. I may revisit this upcoming season. I’ve further to travel than you, so it’s that, food, drink, no doubt something from the club shop etc etc on top of the actual ticket price - but I’m pretty desperate to get him there while he’s still young and before the Liverpool/City fans at his school get in his head!