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jd1981 said:
I’ll kindly refer you to post 1,984 of this thread which you’ve still not amended. False accusations are not nice I agree.
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I have no intention of that, i stand by it, and offered evidence as to why, you conflated Palestinians with Hamas, i also asked you if that was a mistake, then fair enough, you didn't respond.
 
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Elephant Pyjamas said:
Go on then, explain how it could ever justify that?
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Jeez you are really a dumbass.
How many times has netanyahu over his political life quoted the phrase, "never again", and he's not relating to israel getting beaten 2-0 in the euros is he.
You simply justify his unfounded reasons for doing what he's doing in gaza now, by allowing him to use the nazi victimisation of the 2nd world war, to justify anything he does as simply protecting the jewish nation against the holocaust happening again.
Me, i would like a thorough investigation into how hamas were able to enact the 7th attack, when it appeared to be widely known to israeli intelligence before hand.
But you go ahead, feed netanyahu's bullshit, ancient propoganda tool, allowing him to carry out atrocities while claiming jewish persecution by the nazis, and you give yourself a self approved stiffy to wave.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
I have no intention of that, i stand by it, and offered evidence as to why, you conflated Palestinians with Hamas, i also said if that was a mistake, then fair enough, you didn't respond.
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If it’s a mistake then you can edit it then surely? As said in can read 2 was and don’t assume everyone reads it the same way you do.
As said at no point have I said everyone in Palestine is a terrorist. Pls find a direct quote where I’ve said that. You’ve ignored countless times that I’ve said the IDF behaviour is abhorrent. You used “IDF/israel” in sentence are you conflating the 2 also?
To add if someone doesn’t respond directly doesn’t mean they’ve forgotten about something.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
"Humanitarian zones" aka concentration camps.

"Legal justification for their elimination" if Gazans don't enter the camps.

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Can't campare though, to even entertain the idea of comparing it to be anti-semitic apparently.

But maybe the reason why many compare the situation in Gaza to the persecution of European jews is the fact that we are well educated about it, and horrified by it, and not so knowledgeable about any similar and extensive persecution committed elsewhere.
 
Wolftone said:
There is no two state solution. Not while Hamas are still breathing.
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Nor can there be one while Israel bombs Gazan children collecting water.

Hamas has no reason to believe Israel would respect a Palestinian state, just as it has become true that Hamas can’t respect an Israeli one. At absolute best it would require a Korea style DMZ, overseen by God knows who. As if an impartial arbiter could even be found.
 
Israel’s former prime minister Ehud Olmert has told the Guardian.

1. ´The “humanitarian city” Israel’s defence minister has proposed building on the ruins of Rafah would be a concentration camp, and forcing Palestinians inside would be ethnic cleansing´.

2. ´Olmert backed the initial campaign against Hamas after the 7 October 2023 attacks. But he said that, by this spring, when the Israeli government “publicly and in a brutal manner” abandoned negotiations for a permanent end to fighting, he had reached the conclusion his country was committing war crimes.

“Ashamed and heartbroken” that a war of self-defence had become something else, he decided to speak out. “What can I do to change the attitude, except for number one, recognising these evils, and number two, to criticise them and to make sure the international public opinion knows there are [other] voices, many voices in Israel?” he asked.´

3. ´Despite the devastation in Gaza, as the last Israeli premier to seriously attempt to reach a negotiated solution with Palestinians, Olmert still hopes that a two-state solution is possible.

He is working with the former Palestinian foreign minister Nasser al-Kidwa to push for one internationally, and even believes that a historic settlement could be in reach – an end to the war in Gaza in exchange for normalisation of ties with Saudi Arabia – if only Netanyahu was able or willing to take it.´
www.theguardian.com

‘Humanitarian city’ would be concentration camp for Palestinians, says former Israeli PM

Ehud Olmert says forcing people into camp would be ethnic cleansing, and anger at Israel is not all down to antisemitism
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

At least some people out there with status recognise the problem!
 
There can be no two state solution.
When neither Israel or Hamas want it.

The head of Hamas’s diaspora office, Khaled Meshaal, has reiterated the movement’s rejection of the two-state solution, saying the Palestinian people demand liberation from the Israeli occupation, independence and the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Speaking to Ammar Podcast on Tuesday, Meshaal said: “The West says that October 7 has opened up prospects for a political vision, so they have returned to talk about their old commodity, which is the two-state solution.”

“The 1967 borders represent 21 per cent of Palestine, which is practically one fifth of its land, so this cannot be accepted,” he added.

“Our Palestinian project, which has a quasi-Palestinian national consensus, is that our right in Palestine from the sea to the river, and from Ras Al-Naqoura to Umm Al-Rashrash or the Gulf of Aqaba, cannot be waived. This is our Palestinian right and our presence in this land, modern and ancient,” he added.

He explained that Hamas has reiterated that, in order to form the basis for a joint meeting and a joint national programme with the other Palestinian factions, it accepts a state on the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capital, with complete independence and with the right of return without recognising the legitimacy of the Zionist entity.

He pointed out that this position “comes to facilitate Palestinian and Arab consensus at this stage, but without giving up any part of our right or our land and without recognising the usurping entity [Israel].”
 
Wellen Wolf said:
Israel’s former prime minister Ehud Olmert has told the Guardian.

1. ´The “humanitarian city” Israel’s defence minister has proposed building on the ruins of Rafah would be a concentration camp, and forcing Palestinians inside would be ethnic cleansing´.

2. ´Olmert backed the initial campaign against Hamas after the 7 October 2023 attacks. But he said that, by this spring, when the Israeli government “publicly and in a brutal manner” abandoned negotiations for a permanent end to fighting, he had reached the conclusion his country was committing war crimes.

“Ashamed and heartbroken” that a war of self-defence had become something else, he decided to speak out. “What can I do to change the attitude, except for number one, recognising these evils, and number two, to criticise them and to make sure the international public opinion knows there are [other] voices, many voices in Israel?” he asked.´

3. ´Despite the devastation in Gaza, as the last Israeli premier to seriously attempt to reach a negotiated solution with Palestinians, Olmert still hopes that a two-state solution is possible.

He is working with the former Palestinian foreign minister Nasser al-Kidwa to push for one internationally, and even believes that a historic settlement could be in reach – an end to the war in Gaza in exchange for normalisation of ties with Saudi Arabia – if only Netanyahu was able or willing to take it.´
www.theguardian.com

‘Humanitarian city’ would be concentration camp for Palestinians, says former Israeli PM

Ehud Olmert says forcing people into camp would be ethnic cleansing, and anger at Israel is not all down to antisemitism
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

At least some people out there with status recognise the problem!
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And right on cue the Israeli Heritage minister, Amichai Eliyahu, calls for Olmert to be imprisoned for antisemitism.
 
Israel now bombing the centre of Damascus Syria, military headquarters and an area around the presidential palace, no reason why as yet, I’m guessing because Israel.
 
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