Liverpool (H) 16/9: Build-Up & Match Thread

[Templeton Peck]

So the team with the best players wins every PL game?

Mostly. Correlation with wage and league position.

 

[C.L.D]

Name one player on our bench who is good enough to come on score/create? We've no one who can change a game, if we can't put the game away in the first half we will lose. Should have been 3-0 up at half time.

Sasha, but we can't seem to trust him to play more than 30 minutes, nor do anything but hoof it to him when he's on the pitch

 

[WsWolf]

So the team with the best players wins every PL game?

 

[Alan]

Unfortunately with this team and this management you can't see anything but relegation in our future.

Even with our faults I can’t see it yet.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

So the team with the best players wins every PL game?

The best players will win most of the games, yes, that's why i said "most significant" rather than only.

 

[Jack Regan]

We're in a conundrum as clearly we're a team who aren't going to score goals without a striker (but likely play better as a team without one). However when we play an actual striker he's completely isolated and we can't really create any chances at all.

 

[Freddeno]

We also didn't track a player that ran 40 yards, or managed to make a challenge.

If Lemina gives the ball away 40 yards from goal, is a goal directly his fault?

Yeah but who started it? Jose Sa

 

[Wolvensam]

It's the defence that concerns me more than anything. Absolute bobbins.

 

[Jinky]

Unfair in my view.
O’Neil deserves a lot of credit for the first half performance, and the players are clearly playing for him.
It was surely missing those chances that did for us and that’s down to the players.
Liverpool were clinical. We were wasteful. Also they have better players.

It’s a combination of the players missing gilt edge chances (same issue we’ve had for years - I’m bored of hearing about it), and GoN’s inexperience.

The impact Neto had in the first half, he then doesn’t get a kick in the first 10-15 mins of the second half due to a tactical switch from Klopp, and GoN has no answer. What has Doc done since coming on? How has Sasa not got on when we have Fabio flouncing about offering the square root of fuck all?

You may say it’s unfair, but he’s just really inexperienced and it has shown in more or less every game we’ve had this season.

 

[Templeton Peck]

For half the game

Liverpool were always going to come back - it's Liverpool - if we'd been 3 up it wouldn't have mattered. But Cunha.

 

[The Bear]

FT.

Verdict thread is up. I'll leave this open for 5 mins so Pad doesn't go to bed angry.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

We're in a conundrum as clearly we're a team who aren't going to score goals without a striker (but likely play better as a team without one). However when we play an actual striker he's completely isolated and we can't really create any chances at all.

That's spot on, sadly.

 

[Banjo]

FT.

Verdict thread is up. I'll leave this open for 5 mins so Pad doesn't go to bed angry.

In fairness to Pad, the full-time whistle has only just gone on my TNT app as well.

 

[Dire Wolf]

But we've played really well against a better team?

And lost. We have the worst centre backs and worst goalkeeper in the PL. Kilman is just fucking shit. Total fucking shit.

 

[Alan]

What are we expecting him to do? If he changed shape, players are out of position. If he makes a sub the replacement is absolutely miles off in quality.

We are one dimensional but I don't think we actually have the players to do anything else.

Literally any change would’ve been good. It was clear after 55’ that Liverpool’s change in shape had nullified most of our threat going forward. It also upended our midfield dominance.

Rather than adjust our own shape in any way to compensate, we continued exactly as we had been, getting pressed deeper and deeper until eventually Kilman got exposed.

Hell, even when Boubacar came on, he was playing where JRB did. You don’t necessarily need to make a sub to make a tweak, yet we just carried on as if the ship wasn’t sinking.

 

[Jack Regan]

That's spot on, sadly.

You'd hope that Sasa can be that bridge, but clearly at the moment he's not fit enough to be able to play the pressing style we want for our forwards.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Liverpool took their chances. We didn't.

 

[Templeton Peck]

And lost. We have the worst centre backs and worst goalkeeper in the PL. Kilman is just fucking shit. Total fucking shit.

We don't.

 

[Wolftone]

We've been perfectly fine today, excellent at times, but the result changes the narrative.

Correct, and the agenda.

 

[The Dude]

We also didn't track a player that ran 40 yards, or managed to make a challenge.

If Lemina gives the ball away 40 yards from goal, is a goal directly his fault?

I can't defend (no pun intended) the defence for their non defending.

But to suggest Sa giving the ball to Robertson and seven seconds later Robertson scores, doesn't directly lead to a goal is disingenuous.

Because, I have eyes, I can clearly see that it did.