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The Summer 2025 Transfer Window Thread

Presuming the Tolu deal is announced today, a CM and I believe that's the quantity Vitor asked for, jury still out on the quality obviously.

If he doesn't get a CM today then his solutions other than JG and Andre seem to be just Bellegarde and perhaps Lopez (seen no indication VP fancies Munetsi back there)?
 
We’re such a mess as if we sign an attacking CM he won’t be cover for the resident duo, and to play him from the start we’d have to change formation. We’ve gone from Uche to a big CF and we’ll likely end up with Bellegarde or Munetsi as cover the our Brazilians. The lack of joined up thinking is staggering.
 
We’re such a mess as if we sign an attacking CM he won’t be cover for the resident duo, and to play him from the start we’d have to change formation. We’ve gone from Uche to a big CF and we’ll likely end up with Bellegarde or Munetsi as cover the our Brazilians. The lack of joined up thinking is staggering.
Loathe to defend the club, but surely our new CF was just needed in the abstract and our failure to sign Uche means that’s the remaining gap as an attacking CM? Obviously I’m concerned that we won’t be able to bring the required quality in there given everything. And concerned about the quality of those we have signed. And everything else.
 
We gotta hope mosquera is as good as he was before the injury and can play the whole season.

Krejci can play to a similar level

Lopez starts to play 90 minutes

JSL scores at the same rate he did last season.

Agba and Andre play like they did last season.

The additions start to improve as they get more time.

It's possible, but we've got an absolute mountain to climb to get there.
 
If we don’t sign another wide attacker I have no idea what the fuck we are doing tbf. If our options are Hwang, Arias, Munetsi and Lopez we might as well wave the white flag

Two of those are brand new signings and one was from the last window, so the question is why aren't they up to the level required (or at least have question marks over them)?
 
Loathe to defend the club, but surely our new CF was just needed in the abstract and our failure to sign Uche means that’s the remaining gap as an attacking CM?
I think the fact that our foreign quota is full after we sign Tolu would indicate that they shifted attention from Uche to the CF.
 
Not playing as a wide forward though, and throwing him on when we're chasing the game isn't the same as him being a serious starting option in an advanced role.

Looks the best of the signings so far though
 
Lopez was one of the best Wolves players on the pitch on Saturday.
He was. He’s also 21 and started 7 senior top flights games.

He needs to be managed and developed properly, not relied on to save us from relegation.

Hwang and Munetsi are rubbish footballers and Arias is still adapting himself. It’s an absurd situation we’ve put ourself in.
 
VP has to find a way to get the best out of Arias as up to now the game is just passing him by and he's having no influence on games.

I'm guessing that if Tolu signs then Arias will play behind as a 10 so we'll see what he has to offer then? But the expectation is huge, he has to start having a impact.
 
He was. He’s also 21 and started 7 senior top flights games.

He needs to be managed and developed properly, not relied on to save us from relegation.

Hwang and Munetsi are rubbish footballers and Arias is still adapting himself. It’s an absurd situation we’ve put ourself in.
As much as Fosun are to blame ultimately Vitor has to take a bit of time to reflect because he’s not getting the best out of this squad even if it’s limited in many ways. He’s not utilising many of any of the players to their strengths so far this season, well in the 3 league games anyway and these signings look like they are his.
 
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As much as Fosun are to blame ultimately Vitor has to take a bit of time to reflect because he’s not getting the best out of this squad even if it’s limited in many ways. He’s not utilising many of any of the players to their strengths so far this season, well in the 3 league games anyway and these signings look like they are his.
I agree, in fact I think he’s lost the plot a bit personally. His wide attacking options are nowhere near good enough though (he also has played a role in this along with his pal)
 
As much as Fosun are to blame ultimately Vitor has to take a bit of time to reflect because he’s not getting the best out of this squad even if it’s limited in many ways. He’s not utilising many of any of the players to their strengths so far this season, well in the 3 league games anyway and these signings look like they are his.
Feels like a mess right now on the pitch. Persisting with Munetsi is such a disruptive influence to the rest of the structure. A successful ‘needs must’ tactic last year simply won’t work again as he’s too fundamentally ill equipped for football at this level. That he’s still there every game is a worry. Also a concern that we were so much better prepared at the the start of the season two years ago, even though that preseason was led by a guy so much at odds with the club he actually left before it started. But we were much better drilled, and that just shouldn’t be the case.
 
I agree, in fact I think he’s lost the plot a bit personally. His wide attacking options are nowhere near good enough though (he also has played a role in this along with his pal)
Yeah i’m thinking that too. I think the only way round it is to switch from 3 centre backs. I think Arias and Lopez look much better inside too and this would help but i think we all know Vitor won’t change.
 
Saying Vítor has lost the plot is grossly unfair at this stage. What are we actually expecting from him here? Fosun have given him a squad with bottom 3 wages, brought most of their signings in late in the window and he's had injuries and suspensions to key players already. Is now really the time to be throwing nonsense like that around?

Are we genuinely surprised that he's decided that he needs to go with more physical players? More experience? More runners? It's what every manager faced with his situation has done since the dawn of time (apart from Russell Martin). But no. We've lost a few games and people are upset so the manager has lost his mind.
 
We 'could' go to 4 at the back with Toti left back. That would give more attacking options further up the field, with the possibility of actually keeping the ball a bit.
Wont happen though.
 
I wouldn't necessarily say VP has lost the plot but he's certainly getting things wrong.

I was very concerned on Saturday when Everton's third went in and there was a total absence of anyone in the technical area for what seemed an age.
 
I wouldn't necessarily say VP has lost the plot but he's certainly getting things wrong.

I was very concerned on Saturday when Everton's third went in and there was a total absence of anyone in the technical area for what seemed an age.

If he had charged out and waved his arms around a bit like O'Neil used to would that have made a difference?
 
I can understand the occasional deal (e.g. Isak) that drags on beyond the season starting, and it's clear that the CWC stalled the market generally at the start of the window (lots of other clubs of a similar size having similar complaints), but given our starting point (losing three first choice players and our first choice sub all at once), not having the bulk of the signings we needed in place by the time the season started was negligent. To me, it shows that nothing has been learned from us throwing the first half dozen games at the start of last season.

We've either been aiming for targets we could not persuade to join (through either naivety or the inability to demonstrate to our targets that we have a coherent and exciting plan for the future), or we've not been able to compete financially (which makes splashing the amount we did on Krejci even more strange). It's depressing how the PL has become the Super League by the back door. Liverpool now have Ekitike and Isak - can they even play in the same team together? It's like Man Utd in the 90s buying up all the best players just to stop their rivals from signing them, only instead of it being one club doing this to the rest of the PL, it's an 'elite' few doing it to the rest of Europe.

As someone (@Langers , I think) mentioned earlier, we were beating typical 'big six' teams in our first season back, with a team that had a structure, a shape, some leadership, and no shortage of creative players. Look how we've been overtaken now by Arsenal such that we're just a speck in their rear view mirror, and how we're now seen as a place where clubs like Newcastle can buy their replacements.

It's the sense of a real missed opportunity over recent years that grates the most. It didn't have to be this way.

You've got to hope the rumours of a takeover have some truth to them, and that it's not too late by January to sign some reinforcements. I'm also concerned about Vitor's use of the squad he has got, and his bizarre blind spot for Marshall Munetsi.
 
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