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[AndyWolves]

The murder of Iryna Zarutska was being plastered all over SM yesterday and it’s appalling to watch, the fear and realisation in her face is heartbreaking. Just imagine being her parents and seeing that.
The fact she gets zero help is also shocking.
It’ll be weaponised unfortunately by the far right and also seen people on the far left try and look for mitigation.
It’s a heinous crime on one human being from another horrible regardless of who’s involved.
The felon should labelled for what they’re and victim remembered for who they were.

It already has been from what I've seen on SM

 

[jd1981]

It already has been from what I've seen on SM

The anger and blame should be aimed at who allowed him to free on the streets 14 crimes in 14 years. That includes armed robbery and a crime in January.
His own family were concerned about how dangerous he could be to.

 

[Alan]

Charlotte failed them both. Under any other regime I would welcome the spotlight; this city is obsessed with bandaids and half-measures, and something needs to drastically change.

At the same time, Charlotte has literally never been safer in terms of the rate of violent crime. Zarutska should be the push for positive change here, but instead she will be used to twist Charlotte into a grotesque caricature of itself, painting my home as infested with crime, death, and, worst of all, people with dark skin (who are intrinsically evil dontchaknow).

I'm not sure what to do when the Guard rolls in.

 

[Alan]

Kirk's podcast is currently at #1 on Apple Podcasts.

 

[visage]

There's no simple solutions. America is broken. And no proposed solution can happen in a nation where 50% oppose the other 50%.

You almost need the non batshit centrist majority to say 'Well give you the house and the senate and the presidency. Fuck up and we'll vote as a bloc for the other guys'. End the tribalism.

 

[Jack Regan]

Whatever your particular take on his assassination, its only gonna further the right wing agenda in the short term.

 

[Keef]

The shooter managed to get in, shoot him in the neck from 200 yds away, escape off campus, and then leave his gun, and rounds with trans slogans on them in a place where he knew they’d be found, but the FBI are saying they’ve no clues to who did it yet.
On the plus side, it may put a bit of doubt into the big empty space that is Magas heads, that after seeing the damage a round to the head can do maybe trump wasn’t shot in the ear after all

 

[Alan]

I'm sure I read that they have the shooter in custody?

 

[Carsy]

Whatever your particular take on his assassination, its only gonna further the right wing agenda in the short term.

It’s just a sad world where people with different opinions spread to violence like this.

I’m hardly an expert on politics, especially the American landscape, and I didn’t know a lot about Charlie Kirk except some of the videos of him ‘debating’ on campus, and I thought some of it was quite interesting. Agree with parts, disagree with others.

Ultimately freedom of speech doesn’t come with freedom of consequence. Although I’m not sure assassinating someone like this is correct.

If it turns out to be politic (which it seems to be) then it’s abit of a an own goal as can’t imagine it will increase support for the democrats

 

[Wolf Hunting]

There's no simple solutions. America is broken. And no proposed solution can happen in a nation where 50% oppose the other 50%.

Anyone see the video of a Ukraine refugee sitting on a train in North Carolina on her own, minding her own business when the black lad behind her, just rears up and stabs her?
7 or 8 people sitting around her sat there doing nothing as she sat, stunned, then after a couple of minutes, she slumped over and bled out. Died right there.
Her killer who had some mental issues had been released completely without restraints to wander around in public, and as he stood there waiting several minutes for the train to come into the next station, not one fucker moved, until he got off.
Then a couple of them ran to her. Too late, she died. No one did anything.
Including the fucking judge who let him go after several previous offenses.

 

[Alan]

They were scared. The bystanders are way down the list of blame here.

I ride the Blue Line all the time. To say that a crime of that sort was coming is understating things. The degree to which even the most basic security measures were/are lacking would be laughable in any other circumstance.

I love this city, but it does so much in dangerous half-measures that, not unlike Kirk, something like this was inevitable.

 

[jd1981]

They were scared. The bystanders are way down the list of blame here.

I ride the Blue Line all the time. To say that a crime of that sort was coming is understating things. The degree to which even the most basic security measures were/are lacking would be laughable in any other circumstance.

I love this city, but it does so much in dangerous half-measures that, not unlike Kirk, something like this was inevitable.

Don’t think anyone is expecting them to stop him stabbing her the problem is after he’s gone no one comes to her aid still.
Absolute very least she deserved was for someone to sit and try and comfort her in her last moments.
There’s people genuinely trying to find mitigation for this monster which I find absolutely abhorrent.
Things need calling as they’re certain media members are suggesting Kirk kind of bought it on himself to be attacked and killed for his views.
At the same time people are looking for mitigation and why Decarlos Brown did what he did to Iryna Zarutska.
No both people who committed these crimes are cold blooded killers who attacked people who couldn’t defend themselves.
Both should face the full force of the law.
You want a good society bringing offenders to justice is a good starting place, hold people accountable for their actions and stop looking for excuses.

 

[Alan]

Who is looking for excuses? And literally who, anywhere, is defending the man who murdered Zarutska?

There are bigger issues at play than just these two incidents.

 

[leedswolf]

54K views · 760 reactions | Boris Johnson has paid tribute to “free speech martyr” Charlie Kirk. | The News Agents

Boris Johnson has paid tribute to “free speech martyr” Charlie Kirk..

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[Wolftone]

Suspect in Charlie Kirk Assassination in custody. 'High likelihood they have got the correct attacker'

 

[WVWolf]

Who is looking for excuses? And literally who, anywhere, is defending the man who murdered Zarutska?

There are bigger issues at play than just these two incidents.

Erm, you, to a degree.

On the previous page you were 'glad' that somebody had been shot in the neck, even using the word 'victory' when talking about his death.

With the Ukrainian women, you don't explicitly defend the **** who killed her, but you're certainly not as forthright. You say Charlotte has 'failed them both' and that it has 'never been safer'.

It was in response to a post that included this:

"There’s people genuinely trying to find mitigation for this monster which I find absolutely abhorrent.
Things need calling as they’re certain media members are suggesting Kirk kind of bought it on himself to be attacked and killed for his views.
At the same time people are looking for mitigation and why Decarlos Brown did what he did to Iryna Zarutska."

I agree with the above, and I feel as though your posts fall into that category.

 

[Alan]

They were both failed, Brown by the city's failure to give him the treatment that he so obviously needed, and by extension that failure lead to the death of Zarutska. That is unequivocally true, but to say acknowledging that truth is excusing or defending Brown is patently absurd. Also patently absurd is to take one very sensational tragedy and use it as a pretext for painting the entire city as a lawless land of chaos, which is what this regime will do, despite the fact that violent crime is less common here than it has been in a long time, certainly from the madness of 2020.

And I won't apologize for recognizing that Kirk was a harmful individual with a reach and influence that allowed him to actually implement his bigotry in official capacities. I am not sad to see such a man no longer able to add his poison to the well of American culture. As I stated, though, the way it happened is not what I would have preferred, but no, I am not sad to see someone who made a very real impact on Trump's reelection, and therefore bore responsibility for ICE, CECOT, DOGE...

He was not a good person. I'm not apologizing for understanding the harm he did and being glad that he can't cause more.

If you want to reduce Brown and Kirk's killer to "evil individuals" that's your prerogative, but ignoring structural issues means you're just looking to punish without actually solving the problems that lead to violence like this.

 

[Law's Bus]

I don't talk much about politics online, but...

One thing that terrifies me with bothe the Republicans in the US and Reform and the Tories in the UK is just how much they sound like the NSDAP in Germany in the 1930s.

Everyone thinks of them as the 1940s versions, the death camps etc, but you compare some of the things said in about 1934 and 1935 and compare to Trump or Farage (or Badenoch!) et al today and it's almost exactly the same in context if not in the groups targeted.

People remember the targeting of Jews but forget the targeting of gay, trans, autistic, gypsies and so on.

I absolutely urge people who are "they've got a point with this or that" or "they're only saying what others are thinking" to actively study the history and development that happened before the bits that everyone remembers, and to visit places like Dachau to understand where this all leads.

 

[WVWolf]

They were both failed, Brown by the city's failure to give him the treatment that he so obviously needed, and by extension that failure lead to the death of Zarutska. That is unequivocally true, but to say acknowledging that truth is excusing or defending Brown is patently absurd. Also patently absurd is to take one very sensational tragedy and use it as a pretext for painting the entire city as a lawless land of chaos, which is what this regime will do, despite the fact that violent crime is less common here than it has been in a long time, certainly from the madness of 2020.

And I won't apologize for recognizing that Kirk was a harmful individual with a reach and influence that allowed him to actually implement his bigotry in official capacities. I am not sad to see such a man no longer able to add his poison to the well of American culture. As I stated, though, the way it happened is not what I would have preferred, but no, I am not sad to see someone who made a very real impact on Trump's reelection, and therefore bore responsibility for ICE, CECOT, DOGE...

He was not a good person. I'm not apologizing for understanding the harm he did and being glad that he can't cause more.

If you want to reduce Brown and Kirk's killer to "evil individuals" that's your prerogative, but ignoring structural issues means you're just looking to punish without actually solving the problems that lead to violence like this.

I would suggest that your views are part of the 'problems that lead to violence like this'.

 

[Alan]

With respect, there aren't mass deportations to what are effectively maximum security concentration camps happening in the UK, so I wouldn't expect you to fully understand why I'm overdrawn on sympathy and patience for the likes of Kirk.