Welcome to Wolves Jorgen Strand Larsen

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I suppose this is a positive, but i fucking hate how football is now.

 

[Quirkafleeg]

I suppose this is a positive, but i fucking hate how football is now.

Players dictating shit has been going on for years.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Players dictating shit has been going on for years.

Of course - but it's got worse and worse over time.

 

[Lycan]

I suppose this is a positive

Personally I can't see how it can be seen any other way?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Personally I can't see how it can be seen any other way?

Because we are paying a player more now than we were yesterday when he hasn't done anything more to deserve it other than have another club try and buy him.

 

[sycophantia]

Because we are paying a player more now than we were yesterday when he hasn't done anything more to deserve it other than have another club try and buy him.

Ive no idea about the actual figures but he cost a middling amount of money, did very well last season when for half of it we had a poor manager in charge, had interest from a bigger, currently better club, surely he was always gunna get a pay rise?
I agree with you about the way the game is regarding player and more importantly agent power but I'd have been surprised if we hadn't try to tie him down to a longer contract with more money.

 

[jlo]

Because we are paying a player more now than we were yesterday when he hasn't done anything more to deserve it other than have another club try and buy him.

I guess the main difference is his current wages were probably agreed a year ago despite the signing only going through this summer. That said, I do also hate what football is becoming

 

[Sniffer]

Because we are paying a player more now than we were yesterday when he hasn't done anything more to deserve it other than have another club try and buy him.

So his market value has increased.
If you worked for Apple and google came along with a double your money offer, would you be happy if Apple said that you can’t leave and you’re stuck on your current wages until they let you?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I guess the main difference is his current wages were probably agreed a year ago despite the signing only going through this summer. That said, I do also hate what football is becoming

I don't believe that for a moment.

He'll have been made an initial offer, then had that improved by his form last season, then had a new offer because of Newcastle.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

He was on 75k, Newcastle offered 110k

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

So his market value has increased.
If you worked for Apple and google came along with a double your money offer, would you be happy if Apple said that you can’t leave and you’re stuck on your current wages until they let you?

If I'd signed a contract just a few weeks earlier, (that was bigger than my original terms) it'd be tough titty wouldn't it!

 

[jlo]

He was on 75k, Newcastle offered 110k

Even if the wages were agreed as you state (and who knows), then I think this makes the argument for a new contract. We said don't throw your toys out the pram and we'll match the wages for you to stay perhaps.

 

[Sniffer]

If I'd signed a contract just a few weeks earlier, (that was bigger than my original terms) it'd be tough titty wouldn't it!

…. But if your bosses called you in and said we really value you and want you to stay for the long term, here’s a pay rise - would that give both parties a boost and foster a good working relationship for the next 11 months or so?

 

[Lycan]

I don't believe that for a moment.

Why? Because it suits?

They don't negotiate contracts for loans with obligations once the obligation is triggered. You'd end up with ridiculous situations where clubs trigger an obligation but then the player ends up in No Man's Land without a club because they can't agree a deal. As that has never happened, ever, I think it's safe to assume that the contracts are negotiated at the start of the loan.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Like I said, i guess it's a good thing.

However, it's the tail wagging the dog isnt it? It's a less extreme version of what has happened with Wissa, Cunha and Isak.

It also is happening at the same time as us offering a new contract to VP, which doesn't make sense at all.

As a club we seem to get pushed around by players and/or clubs (the pathetic fee for City, which we've admitted was too low), whilst playing hard ball with the fans and treating them like shit.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Why? Because it suits?

No, because its completely illogical.

Why would he not get improved terms from the original offer because of his good form, but does get improved terms because of Newcastle making an offer?

Also we know he's on 75k a week, he wouldn't have been offered that when we signed him on loan.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Even if the wages were agreed as you state (and who knows),

That's been reported by Keen, no reason to doubt it, unless "it suits".

 

[jlo]

I don't get this argument. We (all) agree no one likes how football is going, but the new contract isn't all that illogical. The detail of his current contract is slightly irrelevant, but I also can't see how an obligation to buy is made with a contract offer (maybe it's performance based, hence 75k was pre agreed of x metrics were achieved).

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

You're putting in far more ifs and buts than I am.

 

[Lycan]

No, because its completely illogical.

Why would he not get improved terms from the original offer because of his good form, but does get improved terms because of Newcastle making an offer?

Also we know he's on 75k a week, he wouldn't have been offered that when we signed him on loan.

No. It would be completely illogical for either party to enter a loan with obligation without a contract already negotiated.