Wolves 0-1 Villa: Verdict Thread

[The Bear]

I still think 4-2-3-1 is the way forwards just for the way the three behind link with the main focal striker. Though Traore will need to be upgraded for someone who's a bit more direct with more goal threat IMO (Lemar?), and Silva will have to be given patience to see how he develops. But with everyone fully fit I genuinely think it'll be our best formation.


.................. Patricio

Jonny --- Boly --- Coady --- Marcal

....... Moutinho --- Neves

.. Traore --- Podence --- Neto

.................. Jimenez

 

[prawnking]

Cyber has put up two formations we play, I don’t see how that’s tinkering.

What makes you think Vitinha isn’t up to it?

I don't think we've ever played the second formation, as I don't think 3-4-3-1 is legal

It wasn't all directed at Cyber's post, I just think we're getting carried away with chucking in new players based on novelty as much as evidence that they will actually be an improvement, especially as most of them are very inexperienced.

I don't know enough about Vitinha to make any kind of definitive call, as he's barely got into double figures in terms of first team games in his career.

Therefore I can't be confident right now of putting him into a team that is (hopefully) challenging for a 7th place PL spot again. It's a big ask.

I think it's more appropriate to flip the question back to those who are putting him in their teams. Why are people so confident he's up to it right now?

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Stay with 4 at the back - seems obvious that when we brought in two players who have spent most of their career as full backs (Marcal as cover for Jonny who was a career full back until he came to Wolves) we were seriously considering it as an option and we have conceding mainly due to individual errors rather than the formation.

Bed a version of that formation in and then get better players in. Ultimately the difference between us and the top teams in this division is not what formation we play, but the fact that they have better players than us.

I have seen enough of Wolves under Nuno to be confident that through work on the training ground and investment in the team is more likely than not to get it right.

 

[Johnny75]

I don't think we've ever played the second formation, as I don't think 3-4-3-1 is legal

It wasn't all directed at Cyber's post, I just think we're getting carried away with chucking in new players based on novelty as much as evidence that they will actually be an improvement, especially as most of them are very inexperienced.

I don't know enough about Vitinha to make any kind of definitive call, as he's barely got into double figures in terms of first team games in his career.

Therefore I can't be confident right now of putting him into a team that is (hopefully) challenging for a 7th place PL spot again. It's a big ask.

I think it's more appropriate to flip the question back to those who are putting him in their teams. Why are people so confident he's up to it right now?

Neto did fine.

 

[prawnking]

Neto did fine.

So it's because of another player rather than anything to do with Vitinha himself? Not much of an endorsement.

Neto was eased in with a dozen or so sub appearances before he started getting significant game time, he wasn't shoehorned into anyone's starting lineup after four sub appearances totalling just over half an hour!

 

[Freddeno]

For me Neto has been our best player this year

 

[Johnny75]

So it's because of another player rather than anything to do with Vitinha himself? Not much of an endorsement.

Neto was eased in with a dozen or so sub appearances before he started getting significant game time, he wasn't shoehorned into anyone's starting lineup after four sub appearances totalling just over half an hour!

It isn't because Neto did well I was disputing your claim that unknown players with little experience could do it.

Ait-Nouri would also be in that bracket and he's looked good.

From the limited things I've seen of Vitinha he looks ready to me. Composed and classy on the ball and likes to leave a foot in too. Like a young João.

 

[prawnking]

It isn't because Neto did well I was disputing your claim that unknown players with little experience could do it.

Ait-Nouri would also be in that bracket and he's looked good.

From the limited things I've seen of Vitinha he looks ready to me. Composed and classy on the ball and likes to leave a foot in too. Like a young João.

I haven't once claimed that unknown players with little experience couldn't do it. It's about when you bring them in though, and why.

If Vitinha gets a few more sub appearances under his belt and makes some impact there's no reason why he can't be the player you say he is.

But if you're using Neto as the template then you're about three months too early in calling for him to start games.

 

[Johnny75]

especially as most of them are very inexperienced.

That'll be it then.

 

[Johnny75]

I haven't once claimed that unknown players with little experience couldn't do it. It's about when you bring them in though, and why.

If Vitinha gets a few more sub appearances under his belt and makes some impact there's no reason why he can't be the player you say he is.

But if you're using Neto as the template then you're about three months too early in calling for him to start games.

No template, if you're good enough you're old enough.

 

[prawnking]

No template, if you're good enough you're old enough.

So, cliche aside, your argument is that based on having seen him play for about 30 mins in total for us we should fast track him into the starting lineup of an already unconvincing and misfiring team trying to change its style of play and with several of its established stars out of form or injured. At a rate miles faster than even Neto.

 

[prawnking]

That'll be it then.

Out of context quoting and belligerent brevity won't improve your point.

I'm clearly saying inexperience needs handling with care, not that inexperienced players can't make it

 

[Johnny75]

So, cliche aside, your argument is that based on having seen him play for about 30 mins in total for us we should fast track him into the starting lineup of an already unconvincing and misfiring team trying to change its style of play and with several of its established stars out of form or injured. At a rate miles faster than even Neto.

Yep.

I like what I've seen and think he would be a better option than 0 in 19 Adama.

 

[prawnking]

Yep.

Your posts are getting even shorter. It'll be one letter next.

You're perfectly entitled to this opinion of Vitinha and what you believe he can bring; if you're right, all the better for Wolves, but count me unconvinced it's the right time.

 

[Johnny75]

Out of context quoting and belligerent brevity won't improve your point.

I'm clearly saying inexperience needs handling with care, not that inexperienced players can't make it

Can't win anything with kids.

 

[Alan]

Personally, re: Semedo and the formation, I think people are generally being much, much too impatient.

Do we really think that half a season is enough to be clicking on all cylinders even at the best of times? We've changed some significant pieces since the (late) summer and also made a huge change tactically. It's not always going to be perfect, and, yes, Semedo especially needs to cut out the bad mistakes, but come on. We're talking about being roughly four months into a new season, with very little (if any) proper preseason, and some personnel changes that perhaps weren't intended to happen so early (Fabio being thrust into things at this stage, for example).

We need to take a deep breath and remember that football isn't a perfect science and that realizing tactical and personnel changes to their fullest can take a long time. Longer than four months, for sure. If the same issues are still present in May, or if we start to really dip into relegation land, fine. But until then, the way people are talking about dropping Semedo completely, or having Fabio down as too lightweight... What do you actually expect? Things to magically be at 100% efficiency from the minute they get put into the team?

The severity with each people react to a loss... Almost any loss, is totally unreasonable given the gap between us and 18th place, and the stage of the season we're at, and the wildness of the preseason.

We're fine. We're playing okay. We're making mistakes that need to be fixed. But these players deserve more time and support than they're being given, IMO.

 

[prawnking]

Personally, re: Semedo and the formation, I think people are generally being much, much too impatient.

Do we really think that half a season is enough to be clicking on all cylinders even at the best of times? We've changed some significant pieces since the (late) summer and also made a huge change tactically. It's not always going to be perfect, and, yes, Semedo especially needs to cut out the bad mistakes, but come on. We're talking about being roughly four months into a new season, with very little (if any) proper preseason, and some personnel changes that perhaps weren't intended to happen so early (Fabio being thrust into things at this stage, for example).

We need to take a deep breath and remember that football isn't a perfect science and that realizing tactical and personnel changes to their fullest can take a long time. Longer than four months, for sure. If the same issues are still present in May, or if we start to really dip into relegation land, fine. But until then, the way people are talking about dropping Semedo completely, or having Fabio down as too lightweight... What do you actually expect? Things to magically be at 100% efficiency from the minute they get put into the team?

The severity with each people react to a loss... Almost any loss, is totally unreasonable given the gap between us and 18th place, and the stage of the season we're at, and the wildness of the preseason.

We're fine. We're playing okay. We're making mistakes that need to be fixed. But these players deserve more time and support than they're being given, IMO.

Chemical Alan in 'everything is and will be OK' shocker

 

[Paul]

Yes I think he epitomises the support part of the term 'supporter'

 

[prawnking]

Nope, with posts like that he just epitomises the bland platitudes that get you plenty of likes.

No one is saying everything has gone to shit, just questioning a few things that aren't quite firing.

You don't get to define what a supporter is

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Likes ain't everything, I talk a load of shite and I have loads

I do think people need some perspective at times, we were never going to have an endless upward curve. But if this is the extent of our stall - we might finish a couple of places lower, which ultimately means nothing as the end result is the same - and it's all for a greater goal where we end up better off, then I'm ok with that.

I don't want us going down an Everton road of buying 28/29 year olds and having a ridiculous wage bill and I don't think Fosun want that either. Our fans need to get used to that, we have a model and we will stick with it.