Is Vitor Pereira A Good Manager Or Should He Go?

[NicholasG1973]

I know it wouldn’t be popular but would a short term appointment of Sean Dyche be a possibility

Anyone might have been a possibility had we not handed Vitor O’Neil a new fifteen year deal.

 

[Mel Evo]

Tough one to process as the dust settles to be frank. When the ownership, the players and some morons who sit next to you as fans only give you reasons to actively dislike them, it’s not great. Then you’re left with the management.

Given the tools he’s been given to work with it’s fairly easy to sympathise and, like most others I think, I like the guy from what little we really know. That said, any objective view of the failings on the day shows some calamitous issues with direction, ownership and leadership all of which comes from the top. So much of what happened on Saturday was, just like last year, a proper rabble you wouldn’t accept in junior football. Real chaos. Last year it was simple to see that changing GON could fix that. Less clear this season.

It’s all well and good for people like the ketchup bloke to be high and mighty about predicting this a couple of weeks back. That’s the bloke, like plenty others, who literally (literally, literally Frank) wanted Nuno gone and thought Lage was a great appointment for ages. Failed to see the clinking issues for years really. It was always wise to see what Vitor could do with some actual time on the training ground. One week doesn’t sound much, but such was the scale of the mayhem on Saturday, it genuinely looks bad.

In a rationale world objectively stripped of emotion in decision making Nuno would be coming back this week. We don’t live in that one though, so is there any comfort in knowing that VP is at least able to try and unpick this complete mess safe in the bizarre knowledge they won’t be swapping him out for months regardless of results? No. But it’s all we have to hope.

 

[AndyWolves]

Just hope there is something in the data, we're massively underperforming against xGA (because we're shit defensively obviously) but if we can stop conceding easy goals we might have a chance.

However the eye test suggests wim fooked, even when we scored we didn't have any more belief or really play any better - and that's very worrying

 

[Jinky]

I think we all agree at this point that we want a change of ownership. And IF Fosun are sticking around (they keep telling us they are) then at the very least, Jeff Shi needs to be fired into the sun, never to return. To be clear, Fosun and Jeff are the biggest issue here.

However, Vitor has got himself in deep with them. He's played a huge part in bringing in his mate, Teti. They are trying to distance themselves from that. In the article that EP shared over the weekend, they're suggesting he got the job on the merit of his ability, rather than them being mates. Err, yeah, ok? They still think we're all idiots. Vitor has also had a big say in the incoming business - of which a large % don't look fit for purpose. He's gone through the whole of pre-season playing one system, and then changed it because the squad is hugely unbalanced. A squad made up of players that he has approved/requested - he's then admitted after the match on Saturday that he still doesn't know his best 11. Ultimately, he is the one that spends the time with them on the training pitch. He comes up with the tactics. He picks the team (out of a hat). He is the last voice the players hear before crossing the white line. So he has to take accountability for our performances and results. And he's beginning to chat more and more amounts of shite in his pressers to the point he's starting to sound like Lage. Nice bloke or not, that only ends one way.

ALL the good work of last season has already been torn up and forgotten about. 6 wins on the bounce got him a new deal, but since then he has overseen the following:

Man City 1-0 Wolves (L)
Wolves 0-2 Brighton (L)
Palace 4-2 Wolves (L)
Wolves 1-1 Brentford (D)
Wolves 0-4 Man City (L)
Bournemouth 1-0 Wolves (L)
Wolves 2-3 Everton (L)
Newcastle 1-0 Wolves (L)
Wolves 1-3 Leeds (L)

We also lost three pre-season friendlies and drew with Stoke. We've managed to have a good last 10 minutes v a dreadful West Ham side in the cup and got ourselves out of jail with a win there (and will probably be knocked out tomorrow anyway). The last time we won a game of football in the league was April. APRIL. We're approaching October FFS.

As I say, 6 wins on the spin got him a new deal.

What does 8 defeats from our last 9 league games get you? We've got Spurs & Brighton coming up. What if that turns into 10 defeats in our last 11? (which it could well do). Then you've got games against Sunderland and Burnley on the horizon. Do you go into those games potentially on 0 points, with morale at an all time low, needing *something* and Vitor Periera still in charge? Of course you don't.

Vitor AND the club have both backed themselves into corners that neither can really get out of at this point.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Tough one to process as the dust settles to be frank. When the ownership, the players and some morons who sit next to you as fans only give you reasons to actively dislike them, it’s not great. Then you’re left with the management.

Given the tools he’s been given to work with it’s fairly easy to sympathise and, like most others I think, I like the guy from what little we really know. That said, any objective view of the failings on the day shows some calamitous issues with direction, ownership and leadership all of which comes from the top. So much of what happened on Saturday was, just like last year, a proper rabble you wouldn’t accept in junior football. Real chaos. Last year it was simple to see that changing GON could fix that. Less clear this season.

It’s all well and good for people like the ketchup bloke to be high and mighty about predicting this a couple of weeks back. That’s the bloke, like plenty others, who literally (literally, literally Frank) wanted Nuno gone and thought Lage was a great appointment for ages. Failed to see the clinking issues for years really. It was always wise to see what Vitor could do with some actual time on the training ground. One week doesn’t sound much, but such was the scale of the mayhem on Saturday, it genuinely looks bad.

In a rationale world objectively stripped of emotion in decision making Nuno would be coming back this week. We don’t live in that one though, so is there any comfort in knowing that VP is at least able to try and unpick this complete mess safe in the bizarre knowledge they won’t be swapping him out for months regardless of results? No. But it’s all we have to hope.

Good post.

One question though, who is the ketchup bloke?

 

[Lupo]

Good post.

One question though, who is the ketchup bloke?

I was about to ask the same!

And yes, good post Mel

 

[Del Woppio]

Thank god, I thought it was just me.

 

[Mel Evo]

I’m mindful not to knock any of the ‘content creators’ as I’m an avid consumer of their work. So although I seem to disagree with most of their opinions, some of which are fully off the wall, at least they’re doing something. I’m referring to the bloke who hosted Talking Wolves and, I think, left to start some kind of ketchup business?! A great Nuno knocker he was, which used to do my head in.

 

[YoungWolf]

Oh something Cooper. He’s a berk

 

[Mel Evo]

Then you've got games against Sunderland and Burnley on the horizon. Do you go into those games potentially on 0 points, with moral at an all time low, needing *something* and Vitor Periera still in charge? Of course you don’t

You can’t argue with any of that. But, I’ve got a feeling we will be doing exactly this. Amazing isn’t it.

He’s got to find a way of transforming all the aspects of the team, which include a multitude of seemingly irresolvable, major issues, some of which seem to be of his own making, without the benefit of being a new guy. It’s really tough.

 

[C.L.D]

There was a scenario where Nuno had to go. If Fosun were ambitious and wanted to get back to Europe-style football then it looked like he needed replacing as things started looking stale.

In hindsight however it was clear they didn't actually support him, a trend that continued under all future managers, they were resting g on their laurels and on hubris thinking they were the reason things had gone well. Clearly not.

 

[Mel Evo]

There was a scenario where Nuno had to go. If Fosun were ambitious and wanted to get back to Europe-style football then it looked like he needed replacing as things started looking stale.

In hindsight however it was clear they didn't actually support him, a trend that continued under all future managers, they were resting g on their laurels and on hubris thinking they were the reason things had gone well. Clearly not.

In my opinion there was no such scenario at all. When people float the idea of fans being ‘entitled’, Wolves fans wanting Nuno to be moved on for something better is the very definition of it. Nonsense now, nonsense at the time.

Nothing personal CLD, just my view.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I’m mindful not to knock any of the ‘content creators’ as I’m an avid consumer of their work. So although I seem to disagree with most of their opinions, some of which are fully off the wall, at least they’re doing something. I’m referring to the bloke who hosted Talking Wolves and, I think, left to start some kind of ketchup business?! A great Nuno knocker he was, which used to do my head in.

Ah, Matt Cooper.

Yeah left to start a mix in curry powder business i think.

 

[visage]

People suggesting getting Nuno back - given the circumstances under which he left, why would he do that?

He'll have much better clubs than us looking for his services.

 

[basher]

I'd love Nuno back but I also know that's not happening.

Plus the landscape at Wolves is very different now to when Nuno was appointed. Back then the club were building something, now there is nothing for players or managers to buy into as there is no "project", there is no direction, there is no money other than that which is raised from sales, there's nothing to like about this club as it stands, it's miserable.

 

[jlo]

People suggesting getting Nuno back - given the circumstances under which he left, why would he do that?

He'll have much better clubs than us looking for his services.

If we were still ambitious he might, but clearly the circumstances of where we are now and our aspirations matter just as much.

 

[visage]

And even if Jeff promised him investment in January, why would Nuno believe him?

 

[basher]

Jeff is a fuckin liar...I wouldn't believe him if he said the sun was shining and it was broad daylight... the fuckin cunt.

 

[Mel Evo]

And even if Jeff promised him investment in January, why would Nuno believe him?

I’m not suggesting he will come back. For all the reasons you given and more it won’t happen. It would be the best thing we could do now given where we’ve got ourselves, but clearly the man isn’t crackers. And also won’t be offered it ever again under Fosun anyway.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

He did get offered it before O'Neil (?) didn't he?