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Israel-Palestine

About ****** time 1.

www.theguardian.com

Israeli public figures call for ‘crippling sanctions’ on Israel over Gaza starvation

Thirty-one high-profile Israelis accuse Tel Aviv of ‘brutal campaign’ and demand permanent ceasefire in letter
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About ****** time 2. Just the 77 years late for the two state solution.

www.theguardian.com

Why is UK preparing to recognise Palestinian statehood?

Announcement marks significant shift in UK’s position – but why has it happened now and what effect will it have?
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A Two State Solution' has a lot going for it, except for the fact that Israel and particularly Hamas don't want one.
 
Bad luck to them both. Progress is progress.
Same sort of scale of issues faced by people across the world in relation to slavery eg in the USA, apartheid in South Africa, LGBTQ+ almost everywhere, the Catholic-Protestant wars in Europe for centuries, the ongoing Islamic-Christianity empire conflict of over a millenium, imperialism/colonialism in so many countries.

PS. Just out of friendly interest where are you posting from? It´s a bit late for Europe. Are you in the Americas? I´m enjoying a break in sunny Colombia. :-)
 
It makes zero sense. They're basically saing they'll "recognise Palestine" unless there's a sequence of events that leads to peace and a two-state solution, in which case everybody will "recognise Palestine".

It's pointless. He needs to work on Trump. Bombard him with images of dying children until he changes his stance. It's the only way.

I know "spamming the US president" shouldn't really be a strategy, but he's Donald Trump and normal politics doesn't work.
 
I think France, Germany the UK etc stopping trading with Israel would go a long way. That would also force Trump into action.
 
Del Woppio said:
It makes zero sense. They're basically saing they'll "recognise Palestine" unless there's a sequence of events that leads to peace and a two-state solution, in which case everybody will "recognise Palestine".

It's pointless. He needs to work on Trump. Bombard him with images of dying children until he changes his stance. It's the only way.

I know "spamming the US president" shouldn't really be a strategy, but he's Donald Trump and normal politics doesn't work.
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i am not convinced that bombarding trump with images of starving/injured/emaciated non white children is going to have the outcome you hope it would.
 
Del Woppio said:
It makes zero sense. They're basically saing they'll "recognise Palestine" unless there's a sequence of events that leads to peace and a two-state solution, in which case everybody will "recognise Palestine".

It's pointless. He needs to work on Trump. Bombard him with images of dying children until he changes his stance. It's the only way.

I know "spamming the US president" shouldn't really be a strategy, but he's Donald Trump and normal politics doesn't work.
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At the moment there's no state to recognise. It's a few square miles of rubble. Once Israel gets bored of smashing big lumps of rubble into ever smaller lumps of rubble and a non Hamas government emerges then recognition can, and should happen. Right now it would be an empty gesture.
 
visage said:
At the moment there's no state to recognise. It's a few square miles of rubble. Once Israel gets bored of smashing big lumps of rubble into ever smaller lumps of rubble and a non Hamas government emerges then recognition can, and should happen. Right now it would be an empty gesture.
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A Palestinian state would be more than just Gaza. The ever increasing number of settlements in the West Bank probably mean it will never happen in most of our lifetimes.
 
It's not just rubble Israel are smashing; waiting for them to get "bored" with mass murder is complicity.

The idea that Hamas formed in a vacuum and not as a result of Israel's decades-long policy of murder, forced eviction, and kidnapping (without even trying to pretend that anything like due process was involved) needs to die. To pretend that Hamas are the original aggressor is simply not aligned with reality.

If you say Hamas shouldn't exist (they shouldn't), you must also grapple with Israel's history of terrorism/genocide in Gaza that precedes Hamas by 40 years, beginning with the Nakba of 1948, the same year Israel declared its sovereignty.

Israel has been a malicious belligerent from inception.
 
There's no complicity if there's no course of action that would stop it. Nobody has a solution that they're choosing not to deploy.
 
Alan said:
It's not just rubble Israel are smashing; waiting for them to get "bored" with mass murder is complicity.

The idea that Hamas formed in a vacuum and not as a result of Israel's decades-long policy of murder, forced eviction, and kidnapping (without even trying to pretend that anything like due process was involved) needs to die. To pretend that Hamas are the original aggressor is simply not aligned with reality.

If you say Hamas shouldn't exist (they shouldn't), you must also grapple with Israel's history of terrorism/genocide in Gaza that precedes Hamas by 40 years, beginning with the Nakba of 1948, the same year Israel declared its sovereignty.

Israel has been a malicious belligerent from inception.
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Maybe you could suggest to the Americans that 9/11 was a legitimate response to US foreign policy. Let me know how you get on.
 
visage said:
Maybe you could suggest to the Americans that 9/11 was a legitimate response to US foreign policy. Let me know how you get on.
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I could and I have.

Terrorism is a response to power imbalances on a global scale, usually when the imbalance results in absolutely deplorable acts by the holder of power against those who become radicalized by it.

An attack like 9/11 does not happen because someone is pissed for no reason.
 
Alan said:
I could and I have.

Terrorism is a response to power imbalances on a global scale, usually when the imbalance results in absolutely deplorable acts by the holder of power against those who become radicalized by it.

An attack like 9/11 does not happen because someone is pissed for no reason.
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Mass murder is a choice.
 
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