Keir Starmer at it again..

[lemonjelly]

Martin Lewis

this is a dumb fuck idea, promoted by bankers/investors only. Suspect ML is correct.
A number of building societies in particular have also said it will hamper their ability to provide affordable mortgage lending.
It's another policy that will only benefit the already rich.

 

[lemonjelly]

Leading Labour rebel backs welfare bill amid sustained defiance

Meg Hillier to vote for government’s legislation on Tuesday though dozens of Labour MPs still expected to oppose it

www.theguardian.com

I actually hate myself for voting for these cunts

I haven't got that far yet. I mean, in comparison the the previous repeat tory sit shows, This lot are not as blatantly corrupt, or as contemptuous of the populace.
That is not to say I am happy with everything they have done, far from it.
Instead of regular rage, under this government i experience bouts of sadness, alongside occasional bouts of hope.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

this is a dumb fuck idea, promoted by bankers/investors only. Suspect ML is correct.
A number of building societies in particular have also said it will hamper their ability to provide affordable mortgage lending.
It's another policy that will only benefit the already rich.

Absolutely, and the communication of how and why will of course be absolutely awful again.

Its just something that doesn't need any attention, and will create a huge uproar.

 

[Del Woppio]

I haven't got that far yet. I mean, in comparison the the previous repeat tory sit shows, This lot are not as blatantly corrupt, or as contemptuous of the populace.
That is not to say I am happy with everything they have done, far from it.
Instead of regular rage, under this government i experience bouts of sadness, alongside occasional bouts of hope.

My expectations were slightly higher than "not quite as bad as the Tories".

They're doing things that are the absolute antithesis of what a Labour government should be doing. Moreover, they're doing it in such a ham fisted, politically inept fashion, it's actually embarrassing. The priorities, the lies, the terrible communications of even worse political choices...there's been so much wrong, and not a single external force to blame for it. Whoopido, foreign leaders think he's alright as conduit between common sense and Donald Trump, not that it's actually achieving anything.

It's 'tough decisions' that only ever seem to fuck the vulnerable over. Pushing desperate people into poverty, pulling the drawbridge up on vital benefits so that somebody who has an accident tomorrow won't have the same help as somebody that had an accident yesterday. Punching down and fiddling around the edges to 'save' sums of money that a; are fuck all in the scheme of total expenditure, and b; will come with hidden costs (financial and people's health) that left out of impact reports, if they ever come. Training IDF troops on our soil. Mealy mouthed statements on war-crimes, but consequential action.

What good have they achieved? VAT on private school, fair enough. Some improvement on public sector pay is welcome. They might have some stats that show marginal improvements in certain waiting times, though that doesn't seem to be reflected by experiences on the ground.

They've mugged us off, completely.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Guys, it's just very complicated OK.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Here's where Kier is with his milestones:

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[Elephant Pyjamas]

Leading Labour rebel backs welfare bill amid sustained defiance

Meg Hillier to vote for government’s legislation on Tuesday though dozens of Labour MPs still expected to oppose it

www.theguardian.com

I actually hate myself for voting for these cunts

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940114829064208426

 

[Templeton Peck]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940114675066446118

 

[Del Woppio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940114829064208426

I need to look into it really but by the looks there's very little left of what was in the initial bill, the result being that they've somehow managed to piss everybody off on all sides of the argument and not even save money.

 

[Tredman]

Can kicked down the road again, we are doomed to never ever achieve anything other than decline in this country.

The bill and proposals were a total mess but we do need to look at how we can help people get into work.

 

[YoungWolf]

I need to look into it really but by the looks there's very little left of what was in the initial bill, the result being that they've somehow managed to piss everybody off on all sides of the argument and not even save money.

Well at least the adults are back in the room

 

[Templeton Peck]

This is what happens when you don't believe in anything.

 

[Del Woppio]

The bill and proposals were a total mess but we do need to look at how we can help people get into work.

The NMW needs to be higher; if a couple on that were afforded a reasonable quality of life then I think then whatever small amount of people are gaming the system, would be far less likely to. But they won't do that because businesses will cry

 

[lemonjelly]

If you want to address the welfare bill, you simply have to cut benefits available for the over 60's.
No party wants to do this, because the over 60's vote, in numbers. Look at the uproar over winter fuel payments FFS.
Yet 65% of the welfare bill goes on benefits for the over 60s.

 

[Del Woppio]

True, means testing the state pension should probably be a thing now, but they're far too scared to even consider it

 

[Keef]

Free bus passes to all might be a good start, make it as you only get one if you’ve never had a driving licence, had to give it up for health reasons, or you decide you don’t want to continue driving and hand your licence and car logbooks into dvla, or the bus passes gets revoked if you don’t use it frequently say 3-4 times a week over a year.
Might save a bit on the concession fares handed over to bus companies when passes get used, was 1/3 full fare handed to the bus company off passes when I was bussing in wales that also opens the debate that bus companies getting less money operate fewer services.

 

[lemonjelly]

Free bus passes to all might be a good start, make it as you only get one if you’ve never had a driving licence, had to give it up for health reasons, or you decide you don’t want to continue driving and hand your licence and car logbooks into dvla, or the bus passes gets revoked if you don’t use it frequently say 3-4 times a week over a year.
Might save a bit on the concession fares handed over to bus companies when passes get used, was 1/3 full fare handed to the bus company off passes when I was bussing in wales that also opens the debate that bus companies getting less money operate fewer services.

tinkering around the edges. Plus, would increase the volume of cars on the road. Am all for keeping this one in place.
Take a closer look at the implications of pension credit, state pension, attendance allowance and so on. That's where savings can be made.

 

[EpsomWolf]

True, means testing the state pension should probably be a thing now, but they're far too scared to even consider it

If you’re going to go that road you might as well just end Labour forever and get on with means testing NHS care and state education as well.

 

[Sniffer]

If you’re going to go that road you might as well just end Labour forever and get on with means testing NHS care and state education as well.

I’d ask why are current workers who struggle to makes ends meet be paying taxes to pay the pensions of well off pensioners? It doesn’t have to include taking the pension off of wealthy pensioners you could just give the higher rate paying ones a marginal tax increase to effectively reclaim it. I’ve not got figures to see if it would save much but seems to me to be fair to all parts of society.
As a country we are struggling to makes ends meet ends meet and at some point sensible conversations have to take place.

 

[EpsomWolf]

Well off pensioners will have long since made sound financial planning which will have factored the state pension into their revenue streams, and one considered a return on an entire working’s lifetime of NI contributions etc.

If you want people to take care of their own financial future and not rely on the state then by all means offer some alternative incentives, but letting people contribute for a lifetime and then suddenly introduce an arbitrary line based on asset wealth, home ownership or whatever criteria meets your political leanings is, whilst understandably very appealing to some, frankly ridiculous and political suicide.