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Keir Starmer at it again..

Yeah, he needs to give the pledge now, and at least then it's another brick to hurl for when the next lot of Met fines get dished out. There's every chance that Johnson is going to end up with 4-5 fines before Durham police have finished their investigation
 
I think the while thing has been a hatchet job on Rayner rather than Starmer as she's the threat.

And she's working class, Northern woman.

I don't think it'd be particularly terminal for her even if she was fined tbh, she'd still end up in a coin toss with Burnham for next leader
 
Burnham is the obvious shout, however, a Burnham/Rayner combo would be seen as waaayy too ‘northern’. One or the other is the perfect antithesis for the bullshit and bluster of the ’old school tie’, but together, they’d freak too many out.

Would be brave and I’d love to see it happen with the southern electorate getting a taste of its own medicine, but not sure that’s an election winning formula just yet.
 
This raises a few valid points.

"For two years the media have treated Keir Starmer with kid gloves, giving him by far the easiest ride of any Labour leader since the early days of Tony Blair.

But they've recently gone after him over the so-called "beergate" scandal, which has clearly got the man absolutely reeling.

His allies have briefed the press that Starmer has been blindsided by the intensity of the criticism, and that the hostility has been "almost beyond his imagination"!

It's utterly absurd to see Sir Keir crying victimhood over a little bit of media hostility, when he knows perfectly well what they did to his predecessor, and how much of an easy ride he's had in comparison for the last two years.

Other Starmer allies have been briefing the press that he's considering a pledge to resign if he ends up getting fined over "beergate".

This proposed resignation pledge would clash horribly with his rhetoric about letting Durham police "get on with their jobs", because it loads a huge amount of pressure onto a small local police force if they know their decision ultimately decides whether the leader of the opposition resigns.

And what happens if Durham Police take the same position that they did on Dominic Cummings' lockdown-busting drive to his (unlawfully constructed) County Durham bolthole, and his absurd driving-eyetest to Barnard Castle?

If they say offenses were committed, but they're not issuing fines because they're don't issue retrospective punishments, what does Starmer do?

Does he resign on principle? Or does he make himself look even more pathetic by clinging onto his position on a ludicrous technicality?

It's absolutely absurd that Starmer witnessed the relentless smears, lies, hostility, and character assassinations aimed at Jeremy Corbyn (Czech spy, Russian stooge, didn't bow deeply enough, Broadband Communist, the "stupid woman" lipreaders, the Anyone But Corbyn coup, plotting a second Holocaust, liked camping and baked beans too much, dancing at the Cenotaph, garden not tidy enough, went to the wrong kind of Seder, unprecedented Stalinist danger and simultaneously totally inept and incompetent ...), assumed that he'd never receive any such hostility himself, and is now having a total meltdown over a bit of predictably hyperbolic tabloid scrutiny over something that he actually did.

Whatever your position on Starmer, on "beergate", or on Britain's right-wing tabloid press, the fact that Starmer's having such a meltdown over a fraction of the hostility his predecessor endured, for years on end, surely suggests that the guy doesn't have the temperament or durability for the white heat of a general election campaign, doesn't it?"
 
Victimhood, meltdown etc seems unsubstantiated to me. He's been subject to criticism for being successful, owning a house/field and putting a donkey in it.

If he's a man of principal he will resign if he has found to break the rules regardless of whether or not a fine is issued. He'll lose all of his credibility if he doesn't.

The Corbyn sub plot is a debate for elsewhere.
 
You would have thought that having spent 3 days considering it that he would have answers to all questions. Its not hard to say that he called for Johnson to resign after Sue Gray passed this on to be a criminal investigation looking at 16 (or so) different events and that he had misled the house regarding their being no parties/all rules were followed etc etc.

His answer to him being found guilty but not fined was fine though. He's calling out Durham police to fine him if they think he has broken the rules.
 
Angela Rayner has announced she will resign too.
 
A caller on LBC.

Starmer has to resign because he asked the PM to resign.
Johnson accepted his fine and paid it but didn't know he broke the rules so he's free to carry on as PM.
 
Of course they exist but like all TV and radio they get the polar opposites to illicit the feedback you have all had.

All about ratings.
 
Why? I'm absolutely certain that people like above exist, if they didn't the Tories wouldn't have anyone voting for them.

This is exactly the mental gymnastics that they have to do to justify voting Tory.
Because as we've established previously Andy has a brother called Jon Boy and a sister called Mary Ellen
 
I wonder if Starmer will appeal a fine to show he believed he was innocent and then resign if he loses but if he won he could claim the moral high ground.

If he goes a I think a leadership of Burnham and Yvette Cooper would be quite appealing to many voters.
 
He knows he won't get a fine issued, because strangely enough, he knew the rules and how to follow them. Even if Priti Vacant leans on Durham Police they aren't going to issue a fine without evidence.
 
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