Keir Starmer at it again..

[AndyWolves]

Yes, it's very easy to shut people down and not hear the essence of what they are saying because of the way they frame it can be repulsive, that helps no one on either side.


I think the fear part of xenophobia is far, far more prevalent than abject racism. People are more "scared" of foreigners in areas where there are fewer of them.

I agree, i think they've taken the traditional argument of "scroungers getting sumfin for nuffin" argument and added the "get special treatment too" and applied it to foreigners. People don't need to be xenophobic or racists (although it helps), just scared enough that they will get impacted by something that seems so inherently unfair, and in the current cost of living crisis this is loads of people.

 

[Del Woppio]

If only every MP faced this level of scrutiny

Angela Rayner admits underpaying stamp duty on £800,000 seaside flat

Exclusive: Deputy PM refers herself to ethics adviser as confirmation puts her position under threat

www.theguardian.com

 

[EpsomWolf]

Credibility completely shot. Never interested in the optics or doing the right thing, just maximising opportunity and minimising costs. Played a blinder when walking the tightrope between tax evasion and tax avoidance on the right to buy but cocked it up this time.

Fair argument different sides/different MP’s come under different levels of scrutiny but FFS, Angela Rayner, Labour, Deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State for Housing. Need to be squeaky clean. What is wrong with these people.

 

[Tredman]

People such as yourself would also be unhappy with 'these people' regardless.

From the outside it looks like a genuine mistake, but the RW paint her as a chav unworthy of government so off with her head I guess.

 

[darlowolf64]

People such as yourself would also be unhappy with 'these people' regardless.

From the outside it looks like a genuine mistake, but the RW paint her as a chav unworthy of government so off with her head I guess.

While if a well educated, Eton type does it, it's just a jolly jape...

 

[EpsomWolf]

People such as yourself would also be unhappy with 'these people' regardless.

From the outside it looks like a genuine mistake, but the RW paint her as a chav unworthy of government so off with her head I guess.

She’s dumped herself right in with every other MP whose own interests and actions are evidently different to those they demand of others, so too right I’m unhappy with ‘these people’.

There is a deeper level of disappointment it being Angela Rayner with what she supposedly stands for and unfortunately a deeper affect on her credibility and damage to the Labour Party too.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Credibility completely shot. Never interested in the optics or doing the right thing, just maximising opportunity and minimising costs. Played a blinder when walking the tightrope between tax evasion and tax avoidance on the right to buy but cocked it up this time.

Fair argument different sides/different MP’s come under different levels of scrutiny but FFS, Angela Rayner, Labour, Deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State for Housing. Need to be squeaky clean. What is wrong with these people.

Her primary motivation, it seems, was to ensure financial stability for her disabled son and provide security for her other children. She did this in partnership with her former husband in what seems like a mature and responsible approach to shared parenting with additional challenges.

As my family is finding out, the challenges associated with raising a child with additional needs and ensuring that they are looked after into adulthood is extremely complicated - most of the time, I am not confident that the people advising us fully understand the system and we are a fairly straightforward one home, one income family.

I think Rayner and her former husband's approach to shared parenting deserves praise, it can't have been easy but even without the complication of her job it appears that ultimately they were sharing a family home (primarily for the children) and each of them living elsewhere while the other was in the family home. On top of this, they attempted to keep the child and their condition out of the news. Rayner has now been forced into a corner where she can't explain some of it without explaining all of it.

The law clearly isn't clear - she has been given two completely different pieces of advice on the same issue. If she asked the question about what she owes, and follows that advice...how is she different to the rest of us? I don't imagine many people seek second opinions on legal matters for issues like this. She also has the machinery of government who no doubt could have intervened if there was a clear and obvious breach of the law - no doubt the standards investigation will be able to look into this but for me, this is not a tale of a politician setting out to deceive, but someone going about their (complicated) business trying to comply with the law. The rules for MPs homes are wrong and should be sorted out, tax laws are burdensome and over complicated that serve only the profits of lawyers and accountants...but I don't see deliberate wrongdoing here and I have a geat deal of sympathy and empathy for her situation.

 

[EpsomWolf]

She’s trying to provide financial stability for herself and her family, no different to anyone else. Unlike most people she will also have had access to first class legal advice and capitalised on that by weaving an intricate web, maximising her opportunity and minimising her taxes.

She’s done this once already with the RtB, and there is absolutely no excuse for errors this time (As for the RtB, property/lettings is an interest area of mine and there are an awful lot of unanswered questions around that one; when she moved out, who she moved in, what the ownership period required was to avoid repaying the discount given (my understanding is she moved out and conveniently moved ‘a family member’ in avoiding this) and if tax was paid by ‘tenant’ and landlord at the legally required ‘open market rate’ irrespective of whether it was a family member allowed to move in buckshee. I’d like a good look at the contract and tax returns on that one as would many others, but hey, let’s brush it under the carpet and move on).

She knows exactly what the game is and is playing it to her maximum advantage. That can be described as simply seeking to provide financial stability for herself and her family or as a wealthy person behaving at odds with her political integrity trying to fill her boots. Both sides reasonable cases imv.

 

[Tredman]

Why would she have access to 'first class legal advice'? In the grand scheme of things MPs don't earn huge amounts*

*Apart from the Tories and farage with second and third job, but then they get a pass.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

...I’d like a good look at the contract and tax returns on that one as would many others, but hey, let’s brush it under the carpet and move on).

Is this the affair that was investigated by Stockport Council who decided to take no further action, Greater Manchester Police who decided to take no further action other than to refer it to HMRC who, after investigating it decided that there was no action to be taken?

That's a lot of brushes and a few carpets.

 

[EpsomWolf]

Ok, must’ve been all perfectly above board then, hand well played Angela.

Let’s get some legal advice and go again, set up a trust fund, shuffle the pack and max-out the opportunity. Get caught out and plead ignorance and blame the advisors because it’s not as though you’re Deputy Prime Minister with advisors falling all over themselves telling you to be squeaky clean at all costs who has no experience of this sort of thing or ever been subject to similar scrutiny before

 

[Tredman]

If only people were so vocal when Zahawi scammed the government out of £5m

 

[EpsomWolf]

They were. Difference is it was no more than expected from a Tory. It’s why the Angela situation hits harder unfortunately.

 

[Tredman]

Not the first time you've said this, you clearly have issues with her.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Is it the first time she has miss-stepped?

Politics shouldn't be this tribal.

They can all be disappointing.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Is this the affair that was investigated by Stockport Council who decided to take no further action, Greater Manchester Police who decided to take no further action other than to refer it to HMRC who, after investigating it decided that there was no action to be taken?

That's a lot of brushes and a few carpets.

You can act inappropriately without acting unlawfully

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Why would she have access to 'first class legal advice'? In the grand scheme of things MPs don't earn huge amounts*

Disagree; given the expenses they are able to claim, and the 2nd jobs they are allowed to have, and the tax breaks. They do.

 

[Tredman]

Disagree; given the expenses they are able to claim, and the 2nd jobs they are allowed to have, and the tax breaks. They do.

Top class editing of the quoted post. Government ministers don't have second jobs.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Why was your edit relevant? I agree with that?

Also, they aren't ministers their whole career are they?

MPs are able to top up their funds at their leisure, how much has Lammy had tossed is way from Friends Of Israel etc as an example?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Why was your edit relevant? I agree with that?

Also, they aren't ministers their whole career are they?

MPs are able to top up their funds at their leisure, how much has Lammy had tossed is way from Friends Of Israel etc as an example?

Relative to what they do (running the country) they aren't well paid.

Jez Moxey, a mediocre CEO for what was mostly a mediocre second tier provincial football club in his time here was paid way more than an MP.

The biggest reason why that awful cunt Johnson isn't coming back is because his stupid lifestyle can't be sustained on a politician's salary.