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Boris at it again and the contest to replace the lying c***

This is where the challenge is though

"But although public support exists for rejoining, Britons do not necessarily see the issue as a priority, with just 8% of Britons saying that Britain’s relationship with the EU is one of the most important issues currently facing the country."

I don't see any main party giving such an easy avenue of attack (for farage et al) when most people don't think it's that big of a deal
The thing is, it was never that big of a deal for most people, ever. It was the obsession of a minority within and surrounding the Conservative party (yes there were Lexiteers as well but you could barely fill Molineux with all of them), and it very rarely polled as a major issue of concern for the public as a whole. Even at the height of UKIP, 2013-2016, the referendum was called by Cameron because he wanted to kill off the Eurosceptic right by winning a mandate for membership of the EU for at least another couple of generations.

It was only once the referendum campaigning started that it rose up as an issue of concern, and unsurprisingly once it was finally "done" it also fell rapidly. Much like immigration, it's an issue where media coverage tends to generate the concern rather than the actual facts on the ground. It's hard to remember now, but during the height of the Brexit Wars - 2016-2019 - there was this widespread sense of a deadening fatigue at being forced to give a shit about our relationship with the EU. I doubt many people are going to want to reopen that can of worms with a referendum, but if a major party (sorry, Lib Dems) actually committed to re-entry - or even just a more thorough alignment a la Switzerland or Norway - then I think most people would be broadly fine with it. I don't think it would at all save the Labour party and/or the country, as FBPE obsessives bang on about, but I think the rupture in the Red Wall with Labour is terminal regardless, and they can either accept that and try to win a new argument, or continue this pathetic simpering Farageist cosplay routine.
 
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I honestly think that Brexit is not an issue that most people care about anymore. My problem is not the EU, but a few that are still whinging about it. It is the self righteousness, the know better than anyone who thinks differently that is the problem.
 
I don't think people care about Brexit, but they care about the impacts of Brexit with necessarily understanding that it's brexit that's caused them
That is fine and I get that. People are allowed their point of view. I think that a few people blame Brexit for things, that have very little to do with Brexit, but that is my opinion, as you have yours. I don't dislike anyone because they voted remain. I agree with many on here on about 95% of political views.

I don't hate the EU and would admit that Brexit hasn't solved some problems, but at the same time, Brexit was nowhere near as bad as was being made out in 2016.
I really think it is the intransigence of some, that anyone who has a different point of view to them, is stupid and wrong that is unnecessary.
 
That is fine and I get that. People are allowed their point of view. I think that a few people blame Brexit for things, that have very little to do with Brexit, but that is my opinion, as you have yours. I don't dislike anyone because they voted remain. I agree with many on here on about 95% of political views.

I don't hate the EU and would admit that Brexit hasn't solved some problems, but at the same time, Brexit was nowhere near as bad as was being made out in 2016.
I really think it is the intransigence of some, that anyone who has a different point of view to them, is stupid and wrong that is unnecessary.
Name me a success and/or achievement of Brexit? LSE says the cost in the first 2 years was £27bn, so surely there has to be something really tangible to make that worthwhile?
 
I've got a black passport now

Edit - actually I have 2 as they get full of stamps really quickly these days, proper win that.
 
Control of our borders, Parliament being sovereign, economy boosting trade deals with the rest of the world, not as bad as we thought it might be. Keep up Tony
 
Name me a success and/or achievement of Brexit? LSE says the cost in the first 2 years was £27bn, so surely there has to be something really tangible to make that worthwhile?

I was waiting for that. A success is not being ruled by something that I can't vote to change their rules. I can write a long list of democratic failures within the EU and a longer list of corruption cases. Us not being part of that is a success.
 
I was waiting for that. A success is not being ruled by something that I can't vote to change their rules. I can write a long list of democratic failures within the EU and a longer list of corruption cases. Us not being part of that is a success.
I said tangible. What you've come up with is £27bn in 2 years to make you feel better
 
Quite. Being vaguely miffed by EU rules (95% of which have just been carried over) is not a reason
 
I was waiting for that. A success is not being ruled by something that I can't vote to change their rules. I can write a long list of democratic failures within the EU and a longer list of corruption cases. Us not being part of that is a success.
We voted for members of the European parliament.
We were a major player with the power of veto over decisions.
We had a trade deal through block trading and we are now on the outside with reams of red tape to plow through to export.
We created our own Laws (and still do), there was no issue with "sovereignty"
We had, and still have our own border force
 
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