Keir Starmer at it again..

[Tony Towner]

That's not because of the left, there's barely any in his Shadow Cabinet. It's feeling like the party doesn't belong to the North. It feels like the party of London. It's what Burnham said today and he's bang on. Unfortunately Brexit is part of that. The North and Midlands bar Liverpool wanted it

 

[Dire Wolf]

That’s the point. Starmer needs to bin the far left

No, he actually has to stand for something. He doesn't. People want a real alternative to vote for, someone who has a voice they can relate to. The far left scapegoating is always going to happen, we live in a world controlled by a media completely dominated by Tory supporting right wingers who set the agenda on a daily basis. So you have the absolute mind numbing stupidity of voters in Hartlepool voting Tory because they blame the Labour Party for a lack of funding for the NHS and the police. That is a result of a completely ineffectual voice that doesn't stand up and challenge what the people are fed to believe. It has fuck all to do with the far left.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It really does. The far left not getting its way is going to rip the Labour Party apart.

 

[Dire Wolf]

Yet its the right wing of the Labour Party who sabotaged the last General Election campaign and set about undermining the party leader. Who as leader saw the highest number of new members joining the party in living memory...

 

[Tredman]

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Starmer said he was taking full responsibility, and then he sacks Rayner.

Laughable.

He's not behaving like a man who knows what he is doing or has a strategy.

 

[Johnny75]

Didn’t the last far left leader of the Labour Party precide over the worst Labour Party result in 80 years?

 

[Templeton Peck]

It really does. The far left not getting its way is going to rip the Labour Party apart.

Disagree. A lot of the left fucked off long ago. 40% of Starmers vote was from members who'd voted for Corbyn twice. He had a huge amount of goodwill at the beginning as his policy offer was good and he was saying all the right things. He could have easily unified the membership behind him but he chose to fight the left.

 

[Kenny]

Apart from quitting his options to show change are a bit limited outside of sacking people. If you've had a shit election and you are staying put then the person in charge of campaigns is always in danger.
Apparently she has been offered another decent job in the shadow cabinet though so not fully sacked.

In normal circumstances he wouldn't really have to do anything as a Government up to their necks in sleaze and essentially fucking liars would be told to do one by the public but we seem to love this shit and demand more of it.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Didn’t the last far left leader of the Labour Party precide over the worst Labour Party result in 80 years?

Even in 2019 his vote share was more than Brown and Miliband.

 

[Derby Wolf]

He'd be my choice but hes already failed twice. Miliband and Corbyn saw him off. Given how disastrous Miliband was* I wouldn't say its especially likely.

I know Corbyn was far from successful but he did at least mobilise the yoof and bad Momentum backing him.

Andy Burnham back in as Mayor for Greater Manchester and increases his share of the vote (up to 69% from 63%).

How loud will the calls for him to become Labour leader be

 

[Johnny75]

Even in 2019 his vote share was more than Brown and Miliband.

Is this the same as ‘We won the argument’?

 

[Templeton Peck]

Apart from quitting his options to show change are a bit limited outside of sacking people. If you've had a shit election and you are staying put then the person in charge of campaigns is always in danger.
Apparently she has been offered another decent job in the shadow cabinet though so not fully sacked.

In normal circumstances he wouldn't really have to do anything as a Government up to their necks in sleaze and essentially fucking liars would be told to do one by the public but we seem to love this shit and demand more of it.

He could oppose them for a start. I dunno what focus group told him he needed to agree with them the whole time because Saint Tony used to attack the Major govt relentlessly.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Is this the same as ‘We won the argument’?

The argument was done ages ago. Even Biden has worked it out. Imagine the UK Labour Party being outflanked on the left by the fucking Democrats!

 

[Johnny75]

The argument was done ages ago. Even Biden has worked it out. Imagine the UK Labour Party being outflanked on the left by the fucking Democrats!

So you lost the argument and are still bitter about it?

 

[Derby Wolf]

Rumours from Owen Jones that Annelise Dodds is going too.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Rachel Reeves in as Chancellor. Inspirational.

 

[Tony Towner]

All a bit moving the deckchairs around on the titanic

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Labour can't move on while it continues to misrepresent its failings to itself. Labour is unable to form a majority government without significant electoral seats in Scotland. In 2010, Labour won 41 seats in Scotland with a vote share of 42% - a slight increase on 2005. In 2015, Labour won 1 seat in Scotland with a vote share of 24%. This is all "pre-Corbyn". Ed Milliband's only shot at being PM was in a coalition which would have had to include the SNP at some level - either formally or on confidence and supply. Corbyn-era Labour did nothing to change the picture in Scotland. The Labour Party is no longer a party of the United Kingdom - it has no identifiable plan to deal with the question of independence in Scotland, the UK Labour Party shares only a name with the Labour Party in Wales and it has (and had) no answer to Brexit and the Northern Ireland issue.

The Labour Party at present is confined to cities and it needs to reinvent itself in that context and give up on any notion of being a UK government for a decade or more.

Federalise the Party, let Regions have greater autonomy and perhaps in 10 years or so the Party might look like it is capable of governing based on a successful track record regionally.

 

[sycophantia]

I'm surprised Labour hasn't gone full Brexit mode. They could have really 'owned' that issue.
Whatever anyone's opinion of Brexit, its done now and we have to make it work best as we can.
Its early days but its been a complete clusterfuck so far, Labour could have really gone on the attack with that and tried to persuade the public that they had a workable plan.