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Keir Starmer at it again..

I disagree profoundly with the second paragraph. You are looking at it through the kaleidoscope of your own political position. It’s like a person from Preston is a northerner to me, but almost a midlander for a bloke living in Carlisle.
The UK has had extremely right wing economic policies for some time now. A truly centrist position would see private and public sector as equally important. Can't recall the last govt we had that believed that. Austerity was a very right wing economic policy and embraced by the two main parties at one stage. Corbyn is seen as far left for offering policies that would be mainstream in much of Europe.
 
If you want to win floating voters and they are the keys to Downing Street then the centre is really REALLY important. Fat Alex has utterly abandoned the centre to be extremely right wing and he won because Get Brexit Done appealed to the leave voters.

The next election Brexit may have a very different colour on things as it will be palpably shown to be a shitfest. But the Conservatives will still be over at the far right.

Grab the centre ground and Labour can win. Or at least get in a position to form a coalition. Polarise politics by going hard left and chunks of the centre ground voters will stay away from the two main parties, and that will not help Labour win, especially with Scotland lost to the SNP.
Are the conservatives really hard right at the minute? Highest tax burden in peace time, massive infrastructure spending etc etc. They seem very interventionist at the moment.

Corbyn really was so close to winning the first time round, didn't he get more votes than Blair ? I think what did for him wasn't his policies, the right wing press shit themselves and set about totally assassinating his character for the next few years by associating him with terrorism and all sorts of shit in people's minds. He could have cut and pasted the Tory manifesto by the end and people still wouldn't have voted for him.
 
I really don’t agree I’m afraid. Wouldn’t you like to compromise a bit to get power and then gently drag things a bit left with power in hand?
 
Are the conservatives really hard right at the minute? Highest tax burden in peace time, massive infrastructure spending etc etc. They seem very interventionist at the moment.

Corbyn really was so close to winning the first time round, didn't he get more votes than Blair ? I think what did for him wasn't his policies, the right wing press shit themselves and set about totally assassinating his character for the next few years by associating him with terrorism and all sorts of shit in people's minds. He could have cut and pasted the Tory manifesto by the end and people still wouldn't have voted for him.
They are fucking miles right. The tax burden shit is Covid related.
 
Are the conservatives really hard right at the minute? Highest tax burden in peace time, massive infrastructure spending etc etc. They seem very interventionist at the moment.

Corbyn really was so close to winning the first time round, didn't he get more votes than Blair ? I think what did for him wasn't his policies, the right wing press shit themselves and set about totally assassinating his character for the next few years by associating him with terrorism and all sorts of shit in people's minds. He could have cut and pasted the Tory manifesto by the end and people still wouldn't have voted for him.
Press power is frightening. I'd never imagined quite how scary it was but during Corbyn's tenure it was unreal. Was looking at articles talking about the angle of his neck at remembrance day yesterday. Fucking mental. They've even managed to convince people he was racist whilst managing to get a real one elected.
 
They are fucking miles right. The tax burden shit is Covid related.
I'd agree socially, not so much economically at the minute.

That's the rub I think, generally people do like left wing ideas like public ownership of utilities etc. England is still quite a socially conservative right wing country though and it's more the left wing social aspects that turn people off Labour at the minute than the economic policies.
 
Press power is frightening. I'd never imagined quite how scary it was but during Corbyn's tenure it was unreal. Was looking at articles talking about the angle of his neck at remembrance day yesterday. Fucking mental. They've even managed to convince people he was racist whilst managing to get a real one elected.
I worked with a bloke who was convinced he was a Russian spy based on something he'd read in the Daily Mail.

When you spoke to him about the policies without telling them they were Labour, he pretty much agreed with them all. It's was just drip drip drip wasn't it.
 
I'd agree socially, not so much economically at the minute.

That's the rub I think, generally people do like left wing ideas like public ownership of utilities etc. England is still quite a socially conservative right wing country though and it's more the left wing social aspects that turn people off Labour at the minute than the economic policies.
Labour are so right wing economically at the moment they're being outflanked on the left by the fucking Democrats ffs
 
Christ. Okay. I give up chaps. If you can’t see hard left will be forever in the wilderness there is nothing more I can do to enlighten you. None so blind as those that won’t see.
 
They aren’t are they? That’s your viewpoint. Look. Start your party. Have your extreme socialist circle jerk and celebrate no seats until the sun goes out. Let the grown ups do the important stuff like getting Alex out of office.
 
The weird thing with Miliband was he was supposed to be a candidate from the left. Red Ed and all that, got in on the Union vote
 
Crikey. It’s like a cult. Maybe I should put it in bold - the electorate don’t want what you offer, they never will.
Not sure if you were saying I should join the "extreme socialist circle jerk" or not but I'll give it a miss thanks, as appealing as it sounds.

I'm not a socialist, probably class myself as quite centrist actually. I think too much of anything is a bad thing, and at this stage we've definitely had enough of the Tories, imho.
 
Not sure if you were saying I should join the "extreme socialist circle jerk" or not but I'll give it a miss thanks, as appealing as it sounds.

I'm not a socialist, probably class myself as quite centrist actually. I think too much of anything is a bad thing, and at this stage we've definitely had enough of the Tories, imho.
Brexit and Corbyn changed everything, without either I don't think they win in 2017 or 2019
 
Brexit and Corbyn changed everything, without either I don't think they win in 2017 or 2019
On a serious note I think Corbyn will be a footnote in the history of the country, whereas brexit will dominate this century, I think we're still at the very beginning of the ramifications of it to be honest.
 
Not sure if you were saying I should join the "extreme socialist circle jerk" or not but I'll give it a miss thanks, as appealing as it sounds.

I'm not a socialist, probably class myself as quite centrist actually. I think too much of anything is a bad thing, and at this stage we've definitely had enough of the Tories, imho.
You can't be serious given everything you've written on this forum in the last few days?

I find it amazing that socialists think they're in the centre.

It's truly bizarre.
 
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