Keir Starmer at it again..

[leedswolf]

What a load of absolute fucking shite. The left need to fuck off and form their own little unelectable party.

We did, it was called the Labour Party.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Labour was formed to represent the working classes as the political wing of the TU movement. If that isn't your bag then fine - there are plenty of other parties who dislike those things that are available.

 

[leedswolf]

Labour was formed to represent the working classes as the political wing of the TU movement. If that isn't your bag then fine - there are plenty of other parties who dislike those things that are available.

A Keir to put it together and another Keir to dismantle it.

Keir Starmer mentioned that his father was a toolmaker. Never a truer word spoken.

 

[Papper]

Starmer has the charisma of a cow defecating and urinating at the same time.

The irony is he cannot take Johnson to task because his whole theme is agreement (but he would have moved quicker). He couldn't outspend Johnson or in fact put the country in more debt.

Corbyn was Labour but too pro-Palestine ( and all that entails )

What next ?

Give Rayner a charge. Abbott as Chancellor perhaps and Claudia Webbe as Foreign Secretary. I jest ...

It appears the socialist ideal cannot counter the Fascist nature of the Davos set that appear to call the shots.

 

[lemonjelly]

Labour was formed to represent the working classes as the political wing of the TU movement. If that isn't your bag then fine - there are plenty of other parties who dislike those things that are available.

as a child I remember my very docile grandfather going on na rant once that "Labour was formed to support the working mon, and they've stopped looking after the working mon" in the late 1980's. He switched his vote to the liberals way back then.
Grandad was always exceptionally easy going, never ever saw him lose his temper. Might be why that stuck with me.

 

[Tony Towner]

Motion for the LP to support PR defeated by the Union vote. More self sabotage

 

[Templeton Peck]

Motion for the LP to support PR defeated by the Union vote. More self sabotage

75% of CLP delegates voted for it. Starmer was opposed.

 

[Johnny75]

Thought his speech today was very good.

First time I've heard him display real gravitas.

The Corbynite hecklers showed themselves up as fucking scum.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Thought his speech today was very good.

First time I've heard him display real gravitas.

The Corbynite hecklers showed themselves up as fucking scum.

I'm not sure what the Corbynites want to achieve? Even the most committed Corbynista must see the only alternative to Starmer is more Tory rule.

 

[Stan Hullis]

I'm not sure what the Corbynites want to achieve? Even the most committed Corbynista must see the only alternative to Starmer is more Tory rule.

It seems like that isn't much of a deterrent

 

[Wilf Wolf]

It seems like that isn't much of a deterrent

They're basically a cult that doesn't want to actually change things in any way for the better. Starmer might not offer everything they'd like but it has to be better than the current shit show. Corbyn offered it and got trounced. Quite literally madness.

 

[Stan Hullis]

It's all ideology - an ideology that led to the worst Labour performance since the 30's but yeah, more of Corbyn was what was needed.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Breaking promises won't get Keir Starmer into power | Owen Jones

The comparisons with Blair are wrong: the architects of New Labour were actually effective political strategists, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

www.theguardian.com

 

[Tony Towner]

Owen Jones' views are flakier than anything Cadbury have made. Uni politics which will always have an audience, but comes with little substance. His hokey cokey on Corbyn was pathetic

 

[Templeton Peck]

Owen Jones' views are flakier than anything Cadbury's have made. Uni politics which will always have an audience, but comes with little substance. His hokey cokey on Corbyn was pathetic

Play the ball.

 

[Tony Towner]

Difficult to not play the man in an opinion piece

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Difficult to not play the man in an opinion piece

Actually, it should be easier to play the ball. Dissing the article because of the author is lazy.

 

[Tony Towner]

OK, the thrust of the piece is Starmer took over the Labour Party on a false premise. I agree, he did. Equally it was transparent he wasn't the man he said he was. I believe I said as much on the old Corbyn thread, so more fool anyone who thought he was.

His impact the thick end of 2 years in has been minimal, some of that is circumstance due to Covid and a personal confusion over how to handle Brexit, some in my view misguided - failure to properly criticise/hold the Government to account and wrapping himself in the flag, some pointless - inter party wars

I don't think he's lost ground in that 2 years, the majority of the electorate aren't interested at this stage, I do think he's wasted them. I've always said I want an electable Labour Party I thought Starmer could be, I still think that but am less sure. Sniping at the other wing of the party doesn't do anyone any favours and as another Guardian opinion writer Marina Hyde said Angela Raynor calling Tories scum will play very well with the base, but they were voting for you anyway. He or any other Labour leader has to walk a more sophisticated line than that

 

[Templeton Peck]

I agree that most people aren't interested and that the gap may close come election time. He's been awful so far though.

Running for leader on a false platform is Johnson level shithousery. The last thing UK politics needs right now is another lying prick.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

OK, the thrust of the piece is Starmer took over the Labour Party on a false premise. I agree, he did. Equally it was transparent he wasn't the man he said he was. I believe I said as much on the old Corbyn thread, so more fool anyone who thought he was.

His impact the thick end of 2 years in has been minimal, some of that is circumstance due to Covid and a personal confusion over how to handle Brexit, some in my view misguided - failure to properly criticise/hold the Government to account and wrapping himself in the flag, some pointless - inter party wars

I don't think he's lost ground in that 2 years, the majority of the electorate aren't interested at this stage, I do think he's wasted them. I've always said I want an electable Labour Party I thought Starmer could be, I still think that but am less sure. Sniping at the other wing of the party doesn't do anyone any favours and as another Guardian opinion writer Marina Hyde said Angela Raynor calling Tories scum will play very well with the base, but they were voting for you anyway. He or any other Labour leader has to walk a more sophisticated line than that

Even a fool is entitled to point out the truth. Seems your analysis is closer to Owen Jones’ than Starmer’s sycophants.