Tetchy Rish! at it again

[Tony Towner]

He got addicted to them and thought he was invulnerable. Won AV and Scotland without trying very hard. He got spooked by Farage more than those within his own party, who gives a fuck about idiots like John Redwood and Peter Bone.

If he'd ran an even vaguely competent Remain campaign we'd still be in the EU, he was just lazy and complacent. Was really easy to lay down the facts of what would happen and he failed to do so.

And Corbyn failed to adequately communicate that it wasn't a vote against the Tory Party/Establishment

 

[EpsomWolf]

He got addicted to them and thought he was invulnerable. Won AV and Scotland without trying very hard. He got spooked by Farage more than those within his own party, who gives a fuck about idiots like John Redwood and Peter Bone.

If he'd ran an even vaguely competent Remain campaign we'd still be in the EU, he was just lazy and complacent. Was really easy to lay down the facts of what would happen and he failed to do so.

But that alone would never have been enough. His big failure was to convince people who felt they were going backwards (as (in their view) a result of EU policies and expansion) that things would improve. There was little sign of that happening and Farage etc tapped into the widely held view that pre-Maastricht treaty life (wages/housing/classroom sizes etc etc) was a whole lot better than in 2015 and deflected from the inadequacies of government and carefully pointed the fingers in that direction with devastating affect.

Cameron was oblivious to the groundswell of resistance to the EU expansion founded on prejudice but amplified by his own poor governance. He not only opened the door that let the lunatics in but helped them along the way through sheer stupidity too.

People staring into a black hole will always be vulnerable to the low hanging fruit of an alternative. Farage offered that and enough people gambled. Whether that’s prejudice/ignorance/stupidity of the public as a whole is another matter, but if Cameron had read the room it could have all been avoided.

There‘s plenty of finger pointing to be done, but as far as I’m concerned, he was PM, the buck stops with him.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Well it is stupidity, isn't it.

In real terms I earned more in 2010 than I do in 2022 but it isn't because Girls Aloud have stopped making records.

 

[Templeton Peck]

He and the Labour Party at the time certainly allowed the Tories to do what they wanted policy wise given how poor an opposition they were.

If Labour had been more centrist the Tories would never have gone as right wing as they did, I think the chancellors statement yesterday proves that.

Corbyn was the first politician to come out against austerity. Until that point it was like questioning the setting of the sun. It's being 'centrist' that has led us to the shit storm we're in now. You can't just keep agreeing with everything a govt does.

 

[Templeton Peck]

FFS who gives a flying fuck. The old anti-Semite is an irrelevance.

He is old I'll give you that.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Gimme a break mate

Tell me who you think is centre left then...

 

[Templeton Peck]

The roots of Brexit run a little bit deeper than 2016 campaign. Decades of awful anti immigration rhetoric and neglect of huge swathes of the population from both main parties played a huge role. That and the Murdoch press blaming everything on an out group.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Quite a lot of BNP 1997 policy is Tory 2010-2022 policy.

 

[prawnking]

Tell me who you think is centre left then...

Me

Certainly not Corbyn. If he's centre left Braverman is centre right

 

[Tony Towner]

Me

Certainly not Corbyn. If he's centre left Braverman is centre right

Corbyn isn't centre left himself, his manifestos were though and tested well in focus groups blindly.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

His 2019 manifesto wasn’t centre left at all.

 

[Tony Towner]

There's nothing hard left here, with the possible exception of nationalisation and then in areas which are either failing or profiteering

Labour Party manifesto 2019: 12 key policies explained

The Labour Party election manifesto has been launched. What are its most eye-catching promises?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Templeton Peck]

There's nothing hard left here, with the possible exception of nationalisation and then in areas which are either failing or profiteering

Labour Party manifesto 2019: 12 key policies explained

The Labour Party election manifesto has been launched. What are its most eye-catching promises?

www.bbc.co.uk

Plenty of places have nationalised industries. Our Overton window is so far right now we think of anything not Thatcherite as Lenin.

 

[Tony Towner]

On a lighter note

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593650673152712704

 

[Kenny]

Rishi's open and honest Government has decided that being open generally shows them not to be all that honest. So interviews on morning TV and Radio shows stopped. No ministers allowed to be interviewed.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

That will go down well. When’s the next leadership election?

 

[Tredman]

Fucking stories on Children in Need about kids not being able to eat, have a bed or clothes. What a fucking country these cunts have created in 12 years. Shame on all of us.

 

[sycophantia]

Fucking stories on Children in Need about kids not being able to eat, have a bed or clothes. What a fucking country these cunts have created in 12 years. Shame on all of us.

I agree with all you say here but let's not forget Children in Need has been raising money for 42 years because we haven't been able to provide basic needs for our vulnerable children.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

75% of that time guess who has been in power?

 

[Tom Hark]

75% of that time guess who has been in power?

Terry Wogan?