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Leicester 1 - 0 Wolves: Verdict

Kenny said:
but we had 3 chances to end it (4 if you count the first attempt to clear which went straight back to them). He made an error but we had enough opportunites to get out of it. If Mout or Marcal clatter the lad....we are probably blaming Mout or Marcal when they score from a free header that came from the free kick.
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Indeed we did, we had multiple chances
 
leon0286 said:
Well football is all about opinions.

Neto was unavailable though, so that wasn't a choice.
And is a bit like me saying, if we didn't have Evans/Fofana/Castagne/Bertrand/Justin out, we win that game more comfortably.

Unlike many opposition fans, I watch a lot of games not involving us, and am fully aware Neto is far more of a technical, but more importantly clinical, player than Adama.
Trincao though, was clearly the weaker of the two wingers yesterday, and I'm not convinced he would have looked better with Neto. Adama's physicality gave him and Jimenez more room.

Especially with how rusty Jimenez looked too, and Trincao still to adapt to English football, I think that raw pace and directness of Adama was vital yesterday.
Even the chances in the second half he wasn't involved directly with, they come about because Leicester were camped so deep, worried about Adama's pace, in the first competitive game of the season, when both sides looked knackered.
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You can happily have Adama if you like.

I take your point on your players out of action.

Don't agree with anything you've said about Adama, but as you say it's all about opinions.
 
leon0286 said:
Well football is all about opinions.

Neto was unavailable though, so that wasn't a choice.
And is a bit like me saying, if we didn't have Evans/Fofana/Castagne/Bertrand/Justin out, we win that game more comfortably.

Unlike many opposition fans, I watch a lot of games not involving us, and am fully aware Neto is far more of a technical, but more importantly clinical, player than Adama.
Trincao though, was clearly the weaker of the two wingers yesterday, and I'm not convinced he would have looked better with Neto. Adama's physicality gave him and Jimenez more room.

Especially with how rusty Jimenez looked too, and Trincao still to adapt to English football, I think that raw pace and directness of Adama was vital yesterday.
Even the chances in the second half he wasn't involved directly with, they come about because Leicester were camped so deep, worried about Adama's pace, in the first competitive game of the season, when both sides looked knackered.
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Tbf you've entered the twilight zone with engaging people on here about Traore, lots have spent almost of his time at this club hating him, many love him, while some get frustrated with him, at the same time realising for many games he has been our most potent threat
 
Johnny75 said:
You can happily have Adama if you like.

I take your point on your players out of action.

Don't agree with anything you've said about Adama, but as you say it's all about opinions.
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I'd happily have Adama in the squad....I think every team, including Man City, would take him as an option.
Of course the price you would demand, is what would keep teams from paying that kind of money, for a guy with a questionable end product.

I wouldn't underestimate the threat he carries just by being on the pitch.
If you were at the game yesterday (Not to sound condescending) but you would have seen he was being doubled up on quite a few times, even when the ball was on the other side of the pitch he was rarely left 1v1.

Ricardo was nowhere near as attacking and direct as he usually is, as a result.
Although I do think your manager missed a trick, of not putting him on the other side up against Luke Thomas, who despite clearly very talented, is still a young lad.

If he wasn't as inconsistent in his end product as he is, he would still be at Barcelona.
(Although maybe not this summer, given the fire sale going on there).
 
sycophantia said:
Tbf you've entered the twilight zone with engaging people on here about Traore, lots have spent almost of his time at this club hating him, many love him, while some get frustrated with him, at the same time realising for many games he has been our most potent threat
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Any Similarity to Persons Living or Dead is Purely Coincidental :) ​

 
leon0286 said:
I'd happily have Adama in the squad....I think every team, including Man City, would take him as an option.
Of course the price you would demand, is what would keep teams from paying that kind of money, for a guy with a questionable end product.

I wouldn't underestimate the threat he carries just by being on the pitch.
If you were at the game yesterday (Not to sound condescending) but you would have seen he was being doubled up on quite a few times, even when the ball was on the other side of the pitch he was rarely left 1v1.

Ricardo was nowhere near as attacking and direct as he usually is, as a result.
Although I do think your manager missed a trick, of not putting him on the other side up against Luke Thomas, who despite clearly very talented, is still a young lad.

If he wasn't as inconsistent in his end product as he is, he would still be at Barcelona.
(Although maybe not this summer, given the fire sale going on there).
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But he is inconsistent, that's the point and he's available for a third of the price of Grealish according to reports.

Pep got rid of Adama for the very reason he couldn't do what he wanted despite having all the tools. It's why he ended up in the Championship with Tony Pulis.

I watched the game and I've seen nearly every game Adama has played for Wolves, most of them in the flesh and he is incredibly frustrating to watch and every person on this forum is aware of the threat he carries, but rarely is able to act upon.

He promises so much but delivers so little.

Just look at his stats, they're appalling for a so called 'threat' at PL level.
 
Obviously his assists and goal output is poor, but i thought his chance creation and running stats were good?
 
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Chance creation is OK. I think some of the issues around his output last season were not entirely his fault tbf too.

If he performs like yesterday every week his stats will be decent I think, anyway
 
leon0286 said:
Although I do think your manager missed a trick, of not putting him on the other side up against Luke Thomas, who despite clearly very talented, is still a young lad.
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We can't do that as Trincao can only really play on the right.

Adama looks better on the left (or has done in the last year or so), if we play him on the right he ends up just running into a cul-de-sac by the corner flag and nothing happens. If he's on the left then he can drive inside and he's far more dangerous in central areas.

As for the performance (was out all day yesterday), was encouraged by a fair amount of our play, not as horribly rocky at the back as we looked in pre-season and for the first time for a concerted period under Lage you could actually see what we were trying to do going forward. Also much quicker and sharper use of the ball than we've seen for some time.

We still have quite a lot of fundamental issues to solve - some of which we can't until injured players return, and we don't know when that'll be - but we played pretty well. Definitely deserved a point, minimum, against a good team too who we regularly struggle to/fail to score against.
 
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Johnny75 said:
But he is inconsistent, that's the point and he's available for a third of the price of Grealish according to reports.

Pep got rid of Adama for the very reason he couldn't do what he wanted despite having all the tools. It's why he ended up in the Championship with Tony Pulis.

I watched the game and I've seen nearly every game Adama has played for Wolves, most of them in the flesh and he is incredibly frustrating to watch and every person on this forum is aware of the threat he carries, but rarely is able to act upon.

He promises so much but delivers so little.

Just look at his stats, they're appalling for a so called 'threat' at PL level.
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But a third of the price of Grealish, is still £30 million....How many teams, apart from Man City, would pay that for what would be a squad player?
I'm not saying he's not good enough to be starting for teams in this league, I think he could start for most, in the right setup.

He was Wolves's best player for me yesterday, going forward anyway. Looked much more dangerous than Jimenez and Trincao.
Hoever had a good game too, defensively and on the ball. He did well against Barnes, but I was pretty pleased with Barnes too, in his first competitive minutes since his bad injury last season.

But from my perspective, as frustrating as he is/was yesterday, if he had not played, my impression goes from "We were lucky to get a win today, Traore's pace and physicality caused us problems all game" to "Well, Wolves were pretty lightweight, and didn't really carry much of a threat".
 
leon0286 said:
But a third of the price of Grealish, is still £30 million....How many teams, apart from Man City, would pay that for what would be a squad player?
I'm not saying he's not good enough to be starting for teams in this league, I think he could start for most, in the right setup.

He was Wolves's best player for me yesterday, going forward anyway. Looked much more dangerous than Jimenez and Trincao.
Hoever had a good game too, defensively and on the ball. He did well against Barnes, but I was pretty pleased with Barnes too, in his first competitive minutes since his bad injury last season.

But from my perspective, as frustrating as he is/was yesterday, if he had not played, my impression goes from "We were lucky to get a win today, Traore's pace and physicality caused us problems all game" to "Well, Wolves were pretty lightweight, and didn't really carry much of a threat".
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All good points to be fair. I'm in the keep Traore here at all costs camp, even though i know he's an enigma. What you spotted yesterday is what happens every week. Sometimes 3 on him not 2. If only he could learn that when that happens he needs to bring other players into play it would be great.
Unfortunately it hasn't happened yet, but in fairness he is showing some signs of getting it.
Our manager hasn't been here very long, but even he knows that if Adama could score he would have a queue of the top teams in the world at has office door 24/7, and he'd truly be worth 100m+.
Maybe this season will be his breakout one, and at the end of the season he waves us goodbye for a top CL club, which he would deserve. I fooking hope so on the former...
 
redvictor said:
even he knows that if Adama could score he would have a queue of the top teams in the world at has office door 24/7,
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Amazing how many Wolves fans were triggered by his comments on Adama.

For me - Keep Adama unless someone offers silly money and for silly money I mean north of £60m (which isn't happening).
 
Kenny said:
Amazing how many Wolves fans were triggered by his comments on Adama.

For me - Keep Adama unless someone offers silly money and for silly money I mean north of £60m (which isn't happening).
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For me it's funny that a guy who hasn't really seen him a lot can plainly see what we've seen for ages... I see lots on SM getting pissy....
 
leon0286 said:
But a third of the price of Grealish, is still £30 million....How many teams, apart from Man City, would pay that for what would be a squad player?
I'm not saying he's not good enough to be starting for teams in this league, I think he could start for most, in the right setup.

He was Wolves's best player for me yesterday, going forward anyway. Looked much more dangerous than Jimenez and Trincao.
Hoever had a good game too, defensively and on the ball. He did well against Barnes, but I was pretty pleased with Barnes too, in his first competitive minutes since his bad injury last season.

But from my perspective, as frustrating as he is/was yesterday, if he had not played, my impression goes from "We were lucky to get a win today, Traore's pace and physicality caused us problems all game" to "Well, Wolves were pretty lightweight, and didn't really carry much of a threat".
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Would you swap Barnes for Traore?
 
I would take an effective player over a talented player any day if the sole purpose is to win games. Talent is nice to watch but without and end product t doesn’t have much point in a game of football. The Traore/Jimenez was effective and if that returns the the argument about Traore will subside, for me he was the biggest loser (apart from Jimenez obs) last season because we had nobody else that could capitalise on Traore’s strength.

Late on against Leicester, Jimenez knew exactly where to be but Traore failed to make the pass that would have been a tap in - if that partnership can return this season there’s no reason we can’t add 20 goals to last seasons tally.

I would be keeping Traore just in case….
 
The Traore/Jimenez combination was with him on the right crossing on his right foot. I don't see that happening on the left. Can't cross with that foot and doesn't have the guile to play through balls is what I was going to post.

Then I remembered the Dendoncker goal last season
 
It's kind of a silly comparison in the first place though. It's the first game of the season under a new coach, and the 3 forwards were:

1) a guy who hasn't played for near a year after a terrible skull injury
2) a brand new loanee
3) traore who started 37 games in the side last season

I mean yeah I would hope traore was the most effective up top?? this also seems to suggest that whoever could've taken his place would've been no better than a sack of potatoes.

not gonna get into an argument about this again, but it's one of those opinions I think crops up a lot when people just get dazzled by his movement. suggesting that places like city would love to have him just highlights the point; he would not get any meaningful time on that team. he can have great impetus and cause problems, but lets not be hyperbolic about what he brings to a side.
 
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