Tomorrow's fans parliament

[PuntsWolf]

Which points and why are people talking rubbish?

Not you (I agree what you have been saying), some of Paddys responses in the main text.

 

[Edgmond Wolf]

Sometimes guys, you are so far stuck up your own arses you miss the point

Maybe the word sometimes..needs changing to Always

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

And I have responded Punts. Seriously. Which bits. It isn't me being critical to you, but I would like to know as it could be handy if I go tomorrow to try and cover other views than mine so every little helps.

 

[Alan]

Sometimes guys, you are so far stuck up your own arses you miss the point

Maybe the word sometimes..needs changing to Always

Must be lonely up on that pedestal.

 

[PuntsWolf]

What I should have said is...

They raise some fair points, they all talk some shit. But I also think Paddy is being over critical but that is based on his polar opposite view and also letting his personal dislike (probably not really the right phrase) for the mix, influence his bashing and make it OTT

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Sometimes guys, you are so far stuck up your own arses you miss the point

Maybe the word sometimes..needs changing to Always

And Molmix thinks it is the be all and end all of fora, would be the simple response. Neither are correct.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

What I should have said is...

They raise some fair points, they all talk some shit. But I also think Paddy is being over critical but that is based on his polar opposite view and also letting his personal dislike (probably not really the right phrase) for the mix, influence his bashing and make it OTT

Okay - I would accept that. I can assure you that when I am at FP it is a bit less "anti". As you will see from the post I put up earlier that says I am positive toward the efforts of the MM FP members and what they are trying to do. I don't agree with the letter and a lot of the content. However, I do agree with their right to get their voice fairly heard.

 

[Penk Wolf]

The Swansea game was a really weird one - did those two late goals do us more harm than good I wonder? That's the second worst time I remember the fans to be so poisonous, the first time being the League One relegation.

Also, I'm with Mr Hullis - I would generally love to be able to watch my team, I just wish I could! Once I'm out of uni and earning I will be able to though!

Our good start did us the most harm and masked all that came after it.

 

[The Bear]

If you go tomorrow Paddy and they start reading it out, can you stand up and announce you're going for a shit for 5 mins as it is a better use of time.

I've never read so much drivelling whining crap dressed up as concern. The bits at the end are embarrasing.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Sometimes guys, you are so far stuck up your own arses you miss the point

Maybe the word sometimes..needs changing to Always

Edit - not worth it.

 

[PuntsWolf]

A STATEMENT FROM SUPPORTERS ON MOLINEUX MIX WEBSITE (THE LARGEST UNOFFICIAL WOLVES WEBSITE BIG FUCKING DEAL) TO THE OWNER AND MANAGERS OF WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS FC.

Supporters are renowned for their fickleness. After a defeat everything is terrible and all club officials should be sacked. After a victory the manager is a tactical genius and the Board are not so bad after all. WELL DONE ON SPOTTING WHY MOLINEUX MIX IS PILE OF GARBAGE AT THE BEST OF TIMES AND UNREADABLE AT ALL OTHERS

In the light of the above we want to make it clear that the following is not some kind of knee-jerk response after a poor beginning to the season. It represents a cry of genuine concern as to where the club is going. OH REALLY?

There has been an ongoing debate as to what direction the club is taking and why there has been so little success over so many years. The two recent successive relegations were a disaster and pretty shameful but there is no need to dwell on these. Mr. Jackett was appointed and a swift recovery was achieved back to what many of us still prefer to call the second division. Optimism was re-ignited. SO MANY YEARS. SO ABOUT FOUR AS WE WERE TOP FLIGHT BEFORE THEN. GLAD TO SEE THE OPTIMISM RETURN.

Last season went pretty well and we just missed out on the top six. YES However all along there was a feeling that the club, not for the first time, had wasted the summer transfer window and not recruited well or with any ambition. WAS THERE?

THE SUMMER RECRUITMENT WAS POOR.

The purchase of Afobe last January WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE SUMMER WINDOW TO WHICH YOU ARE TRYING TO REFER at last seemed to break this impression of poor planning and minimal investment £2M BY THE WAY - MIGHT WANT TO LOOK HOW MUCH SOLBAKKEN WAS GIVEN TO SPEND THE SUMMER WE WERE RELEGATED. AS A CLUE IT WAS ABOUT 7 BENIK AFOBES

THIS WAS A % of INCOMING FEES THOUGH

and on the back of his goals the season panned out quite well although the overall impression was still of a wasted opportunity REALLY? WE GOT RECORD POINTS TO NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS..

YOU KEEP PEDDLING THE RECORD NONSENSE. IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING. THE LEAGUE WAS SO SHIT IT SKEWED THE DATA. WE WERENT GOOD ENOUGH AND THEREFORE DIDNT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS

Nevertheless it was appreciated by many that the 'bomb squad' wages had drained financial resources. That excuse has now almost completely vanished however. THIS IS PROBABLY FAIR ENOUGH - A LOT OF THE WAGE BILL HAS BEEN REDUCED AND SHOULD CLEAR SOME BUDGET

The summer saw the loss of our best player Sako for nothing HARDLY A SHOCK - AND IF WE HAD SOLD HIM FOR £4M IN THE SUMMER, OR THE JANUARY BEFORE I AM SURE MOLINEUX MIX WOULD HAVE PRAISED THE BOARD FOR GETTING THE CASH The CEO indicated the club knew it had to replace him and that sufficient money would be invested. AGREED MOXEY SHOULD NEVER HAVER SAID THAT IT WAS DUMB That promise was never kept. We landed up with Ojo a very promising 18 year old Liverpool reserve as a left wing option but clearly not a player who could be expected to fill the very big hole left by Sako's departure MIGHT WANT TO CHECK LIVERPOOL OPINIONS ON OJO. So taking that alone the team was already substantially weaker.

OJO HASNT BEEN THAT GREAT. IM SURE YOULL ADMIT THAT. EARLY DAYS THOUGH

Coady was brought in for a reported £2m - £1.6m more than he had been available for the previous summer.WHEN WE DIDN'T NEED HIM Wallace was added to the squad for a reported £275,000. GOOD BUSINESS


Le Fondre and Martinez were brought in on loan. GOOD BUSINESSMore recently the sale of Stearman to Fulham was surprisingly announced "for football reasons". Puzzling for many of us since Batth was still out injured and the two centre back replacements were very young and inexperienced. The only back up was Iorfa. STEARMAN WHO MOLINEUX MIX SPENT THE LAST EIGHT YEARS REFERRING TO AS A RICKETT A MATCH WAITING TO HAPPEN. PERSONALLY I WOULD HAVE HELD ON BUT WE HAVE GOT GOOD MONEY AND HAUSE AND EEL WITH BATTH NEED TO BE THE FUTURE

It was hard to see how the sale of Stearman strengthened our promotion hopes. Clearly it weakened them. WELL DONE MYSTIC MEG.Meanwhile it seemed Van La Parra was to be sold too with Byrne from Swindon replacing him as a right winger. Van La Parra's move collapsed. This completed the transfer activity with the club failing at the last moment to find a replacement for Dicko. WE BID MILLIONS FOR A DICKO REPLACEMENT LATE ON BECAUSE HIS INJURY OCCURRED WITH 48 HOURS OF THE WINDOW LEFT. VAN LA PARRA STAYED BECAUSE OF THAT INJURY. NOT PERFECT BUT PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE.

NOT SURE VLP STAYED BECAUSE OF INJURY.

So looked at overall the core of our quite successful team of last season had been torn away. Stearman, Dicko and Sako with Batth out through injury also. Ikeme dropped. None of that core of experienced players have been satisfactorily replaced with senior players. All replacements bar Le Fondre are young and inexperienced. And yet the club would claim presumably that it is serious about pushing for promotion. It just does not add up. WE HAVE SAID WE ARE GOING FOR ACADEMY AND YOUTH. OF COURSE IT ADDS UP.

The club obviously emphasises the investment in the Academy and point to some of the encouraging youth products. However no one in their right mind would suggest that the club can rely almost solely on the Academy to provide a squad that can get us promoted, never mind established in the Premiership. Clearly there is a balance that has to be struck between genuine investment in external players that add value and the introduction of young players. YES - BALANCE IS THE WAY. AGREED

The majority of us feel that the club has got that balance wrong and that it will cost us badly. In our last season of parachute payments it was not unreasonable to expect the club to make at least three serious investments in quality players as a very minimum. One of them should have been Sako's replacement. WE BOUGHT COADY, WE BOUGHT WALLACE, WE BOUGHT BYRNE. THREE INVESTMENTS. HOW SERIOUS? JOHNSON AND O'HARA SERIOUS?

EARLY DAYS, LETS SEE IF THEY IMPROVE US. NEITHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT CAN SAY EITHER WAY BUT THE CURRENT EVIDENCE WOULD SUPPORT THEM MORE THAN YOU.

That has not happened. In addition it seems our wage structure is such that it is almost impossible to bring in better players even if a fee might be negotiated. The manager recently claimed he was not restricted to a £2m transfer cap for any player he wished to bring in. However, if that is true the struggles the club seem to have in getting good players to come to us must focus mainly on not being able to match market wage expectations. If there is no flexibility on that front then running around after better players is a waste of time surely. It would explain why the club tends to get outmuscled by others. A club of Wolves size and standing should surely be able and willing to compete for the best players available at Championship level. YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE CLUB'S WAGE STRUCTURE. HOWEVER, YOU HAVE DECIDED IT MUST BE THE REASON. WELL PLAYED ON THAT.

STANDS A CHANCE THOUGH, WE HAVE BETTER FACILITIES ETC AND SHOULD BE ATTRACTIVE FOR PLAYERS. BUT AT THE MOMENT WE ARE NOT.

The excuse that it is hard to recruit such players that are better than what we have is often trotted out by the club. It is beginning to wear very thin indeed when we look at the activities of our rivals both at home and abroad in strengthening their squads. Of course there is no guarantee that such investment will lead to promotion. But to lose your better players (either transferred or injured) and depend on 18 year olds is hardly a recipe for success either. In the case of someone like Sako the club has had an enormous amount of time to prepare for his departure. The injury to Dicko was predictable and yet no fourth striker was signed to ensure proper back up over the rigours of a long, hard season. HOW THE HELL WAS DICKO'S INJURY PREDICTABLE? I MEAN SERIOUSLY LISTEN TO HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS.

I THINK THEY MEAN AN INJURY WOULD LEAVE US IN THE SHIT. IT WOULD AND IT HAS

An injury to our two fit strikers now would immediately create a crisis, equally if one of our two young centre backs was laid low. If you look at our main rivals they have far stronger squads and have made some excellent signings this summer. HAVE THEY?

Many of us are more worried that we might get caught up at the wrong end of the table rather than be competing for promotion. That is ridiculous when you consider the progress in the last two years. And yet the feeling most of us get is that our owner is not willing to invest sufficient funds into the club to give us a fighting chance of promotion. We do not believe that a major spending spree like Derby's is required. But we do need perhaps £5m or so to be invested in the first team on perhaps a couple of players. That is not unreasonable when you consider the vast sums being bandied around even in the Championship. The Premiership is obviously literally in another financial league. But if the club doesn’t make a more serious go at strengthening that league will forever remain out of reach. The rewards of promotion are extraordinary nowadays and that is why we cannot understand the club's weak response this summer to meeting the obvious needs in the team. HONESTLY I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN WITH THIS NONSENSE.

RELEGATION IS OTT BUT WE COULD JUST BE MID TABLE WHICH IS PRETTY POOR REALLY. THEIR POINTS ABOUT SPENDING ARE FAIR.

Regrettably we can see a scenario developing where the club at best stagnates in the second division for many years. That will result in the loss of our best players. Perhaps Afobe as early as next January. Many of our brighter young talents the following season? The fact is that not only have we fallen way behind clubs of comparative and even smaller size like Swansea, West Brom, Stoke, Crystal Palace, Southampton etc. but are now in danger of falling behind the likes of Derby, Middlesbrough, Fulham and other similar clubs which are showing a far hungrier approach to promotion than our club. We repeat that we know spending lots of money on players doesn't guarantee anything. But sometimes serious money has to be spent on key positions to allow a team to take a step forward. The truth is that our current squad is not good enough for promotion. The club will of course deny this. If we are proved wrong we will of course be delighted to eat humble pie. But if we are right then what? No more parachute money; the sale of Afobe and our other better players to make the books balance. How can that be a recipe for success? AGAIN UTTER BOLLOCKS FROM FIRST WORD TO LAST

THIS IS UNFAIR BY YOU. WE HAVE ALREADY FEEL BEHIND AND COULD QUITE EASILY LOSE OUR BEST PLAYERS IF WE DONT PROGRESS?

Frankly, many of us were amazed that more heads did not roll after two successive relegations. The buck has to stop somewhere when a club of Wolves’ potential achieves so little over such a long time. Three successive seasons in the Premiership should have acted as a springboard for greater things (although every one of those seasons was simply a desperate struggle for survival) and yet the club has collapsed into their default position of second division also rans. Is that good enough for the owner? How can that add up financially never mind in any other way? The depressing thing for many of us is that we can't see this pattern of failure, which should be honestly faced up to, changing as things stand. A half-baked stadium and a half-baked team do not inspire confidence. The Academy is excellent but without broader ambition the club will land up simply acting as a feeder club for more successful rivals like....West Brom. THE LAST SENTENCE IS PATHETIC. WHEN DID WE LAST SELL A PLAYER TO THE ALBION.


We generally have faith in our current manager. Like most managers he has to say he is happy with what he has got. But our own feeling is that he is not getting the financial backing he needs. If that is not the case and substantial funds are available for fees and wages then our recruitment department under Mr. Thelwell needs to come under the microscope. AGAIN - PROOF?

I FEEL YOU ARE BEING HARSH HERE. THEY ARE SIMPLY STATING THAT THE MONEY ISNT AVAILABLE/NOT WILLING TO BE SPENT, OR IT IS AVAILABLE BUT IS UNABLE TO BE SPENT DUE TO POOR RECRUITMENT. SURELY THIS IS FAIR? IT HAS TO BE ONE OR OTHER OR COMBO?

Overall our feeling is that the club is aiming too low. Yes it takes time to develop a youth policy and for that to have an impact. But proper investment in the first team is still necessary. Everything depends on what happens on the pitch.

I THINK THATS FAIR ENOUGH FROM THEM

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[Paddingtonwolf]

Thank you Punts. I will respond but multiple quoting within a post is always challenging so I will pick the points out individually. Might take a few minutes but bear with me.

 

[Tony Towner]

As I said earlier in the thread, the letter represents the view of a significant proportion of Wolves fans. I am only in real life contact with 3 regular attending Wolves supporters, but all plus myself would have sympathy with elements of the letter if not all. Social media such as Twitter, E&S comments, other forums etc would also indicate a dissatisfaction in the way the club is being run. I have no way of knowing whether this viewpoint represents that of the majority, but I'd say it does of the vocal majority. I don't agree with all of it and agree certain elements are subjective guesswork or made up to suit an agenda, but to dismiss it out of hand seems pretty pompous to me.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Up until the Dicko injury part, I think they're points that need raising, but I hope they're not expecting a satisfactory answer.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Last season went pretty well and we just missed out on the top six. YES However all along there was a feeling that the club, not for the first time, had wasted the summer transfer window and not recruited well or with any ambition. WAS THERE?

THE SUMMER RECRUITMENT WAS POOR.

I think this is your first point. We brought in Coady, who I rate highly (your mileage may obviously vary). Wallace, Byrne, Ojo, Martinez - not sure how that is poor. What is the problem there? Lack of being experienced maybe? That is fair, but how do we know yet whether these players are poor? To me, calling it harsh is at best unfair

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The purchase of Afobe last January WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE SUMMER WINDOW TO WHICH YOU ARE TRYING TO REFER at last seemed to break this impression of poor planning and minimal investment £2M BY THE WAY - MIGHT WANT TO LOOK HOW MUCH SOLBAKKEN WAS GIVEN TO SPEND THE SUMMER WE WERE RELEGATED. AS A CLUE IT WAS ABOUT 7 BENIK AFOBES

THIS WAS A % of INCOMING FEES THOUGH

Well yes - Solbakken spunked 14 million quid I think. I am sure that can be picked apart and it will turn out to be less, but that is what I recall. Yes we got fees in for Fletcher and Jarvis but he spent a fortune for this division. Parachute or otherwise.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

and on the back of his goals the season panned out quite well although the overall impression was still of a wasted opportunity REALLY? WE GOT RECORD POINTS TO NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS..

YOU KEEP PEDDLING THE RECORD NONSENSE. IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING. THE LEAGUE WAS SO SHIT IT SKEWED THE DATA. WE WERENT GOOD ENOUGH AND THEREFORE DIDNT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS

Yes I do keep peddling it. And yes it didn't get us up there. I am as gutted as you it didn't. But don't pretend that league was so shit it skewed it.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

NOT SURE VLP STAYED BECAUSE OF INJURY.

Yes he did

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

STANDS A CHANCE THOUGH, WE HAVE BETTER FACILITIES ETC AND SHOULD BE ATTRACTIVE FOR PLAYERS. BUT AT THE MOMENT WE ARE NOT.

Stands a chance = I have no knowledge whether it does or not

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I THINK THEY MEAN AN INJURY WOULD LEAVE US IN THE SHIT. IT WOULD AND IT HAS

THEY SAID DICKO'S INJURY WAS PREDICTABLE WHICH IS CLEARLY A NONSENSICAL STANCE. DRESS IT UP AS "WHAT YOU THINK THEY MEAN" BUT SERIOUSLY